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it's a good thing no relics were taken or the whining and bitching about hibgard would be overwhelming. i'm suprised there's been no bitching anyway.


I basically told my alliance that if anyone made any stupid comments about how it was crossteaming or cheating that they would lose /as privilages. ---
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Quote:telling Albs to delete and re-roll is just NOT realistic

I agree to a point. It is no one's right to tell Albs to delete, or reroll, or anything like that. However, for about 1.5 years, people have been saying Albion Palomides is going to zerg themselves into having no one to fight. The current status of the server is really not that far off the mark.

So everyone has choices, and it would appear many mids and hibs have been making the choice to cancel, go elsewhere, or lay low. Albs have the same kind of choice, and overwhelmingly their choice has been to zerg like no one has fucking zerged before.

What choice will Albs make when even camping the mileforts results in no action? Mythic was really correct about one thing, realm wars cannot be won, and they cannot be lost. Even if no one is left to fight, no one wins.

Waiting for Mythic to fix the population problem on this server? For as long as it took for them to EVEN ADMIT THERE WAS AN ISSUE was like pulling shark teeth. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you're an alb.

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
- Jack Handey

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Exactly Peck, it has taken me from November 2001 till about now to get to almost RR5 thanks to my playtime, my timezone and spending WAY too much time faffing around and not farming RPs

There is no way in hell I am going to delete and re-roll to Hibernia/Midgard, if I was to change I'd move to another server totally, have a fresh break. I've considered it many times, as has the guild, but even with /level it's too damned hard to reach 50 on another server as we simply cannot get people together to group and level. Plus I happen to love my character, Albion as a realm, and my friends here on the server.

Asking Albion to do something about the problem is like asking Midgard and Hibernia to do something about the problem, it aint going to work. MYTHIC needs to step in and sort something out. /level didn't cut it, exp/gold and RP bonuses, incentives, /charcopy to underpopulated servers, or something along those lines. Also, stuff needs to be put in that gives bonuses in RvR and PvE to underpopulated realms, make that realm's Dragon easier, make their guards tougher, REMOVE PATROL GUARDSPAM, crap like that.

I can't help that Hibernia and Midgard are underpopulated (I'm of the view that Albion has the right number to be healthy, it's just that Hibernia and Midgard don't have enough. Think how dead the server would be if every realm was as big as Midgard, now think how great it would be if every realm was as big as Albion. Though hopefully with less tards...), without throwing away my almost 2 years of work and my guild. Something I'm not likely to do anytime soon. Sorry

I wish I could do something that didn't involve fucking myself over, it's up to Mythic to do more...
Greggar Mc.Dougal, Akalabethian Paladin
Co-GM of Akalabeth - Block-B!tch for hire<i></i>

/charmove or something damned close. Not "insta BG twink" solutions plz. /level was worse than the disease. It only masks they symptoms. Need ability to switch realm on same server (one time deal maybe?) with a result close enough to the original as to not lose a year or more of grind work (xp AND tradeskill).

Alishari 46th Troubador of the Fellowship of the String
Legion of Honor -- Palomides

Emmalythe 29th lvl teabagger armswoman (retired)
Iron Fist guild - Palomides

Attyla the Unguilded
59th Troll Revenant in Exile (ret.)Magelo
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Sirand, you can take your high and mighty attitude and shove it right up your ass. Most of the people you're complaining to in this thread are Albs that have been in Albion on this server from the start. You know, back you you were chain stunning everything in sight and laugh spamming the people that were defenseless to do anything about it.

I've thought aobut deleteing and rerolling many times because i'm sick of it too. But you know what? If I were going to there's no chance in hell I'd want to play a Mid on this server after seeing the attitudes of you and some of your realmmates. You couldn't pay me to play with you guys. Most of the hibs are pretty cool, if I manage to get some of my friends to go with me I just might move to Hib yet, but right now I have a very close group of friends that are hesitant to give up all there hard work and I simply won't go anywhere without them. <i></i>

Bah, come to Hib and bring em with ya. We'll make it an easy transition. You'll also see how much quicker you'll pick up RRs when you're not in the zerg. <i></i>

We need a /recycle command. This command when performed will delete all your toons in a realm and give you /level credits equivalent to your highest level toon on any realm, any server you are able to normally create a toon on.(perhaps with the amount of gold you have on him). Then you can choose a server, /level up to your previous level, use the coin to buy armor, and essentially pick up where you left off.

The problem with /charcopy is that it needs to be the same realm, and there are just too many albs across most servers it seems. You should be able to /recycle your alb toon and pick up a sav toon on another server. This would eliminate mapping (cleric must be copied onto another cleric) issues, and the deleting of the original toon means that we would not be creating clone armies.
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Quote:I also agree. Balance is > your fucking rights. Fuck you are your rights, right in your asshole. I think my right to play a balanced game is more important than your right to continue playing in that fucked up realm, cause you have friends. Blow me.
Yes, this just makes me want to reroll in the same realm as you so I can be friends with you and the rest of you who think it's open season on those of us who happen to play on the populated server. Try being nice fuckwads. Then people might want to play with you. <i></i>

Well well, I just happened to have my log turned on for that whole relic attempt. Here's snippits, giving you all an idea of what we saw, with timestamps:

[21:39:24] @@[Alliance] Culwind: "64 on hurb"
[21:39:29] @@[Alliance] Zecksi: "holy"
[21:39:36] @@[Alliance] Leelees: "mother of"
[21:39:58] @@[Alliance] Lothair: "64 on hurb"
[21:40:16] @@[Alliance] Zecksi: "anyone starting a cg?"
[21:40:48] @@Sharwyn sends, "64 on hurbury"
[21:40:52] @@[Alliance] Culwind: "just one spam"
[21:40:56] @@[Alliance] Fizzled: "3 near berk"
[21:40:56] @@[Alliance] Siphiroth: "64 on hurb is comfirmed?"
[21:40:56] @@[Alliance] Iori: "3 on berk"
[21:41:01] @@[Guild] Kerrec: "64 on Hurbury"
[21:41:12] @@[Alliance] Rebecca: "I am near power relic keep it is clear atm"
[21:41:14] @@[Alliance] Culwind: "just one spam at hurb.. spam stopped"
[21:41:33] @@[Guild] Violator: "wtf"
[21:41:36] @@[Guild] Zecksi: "I think that they are going after power"
[21:41:47] @@[Guild] Zecksi: "and they screwed up"
[21:41:49] @@[Alliance] Violator: "u sure its the keep not the knight?"
[21:41:52] @@[Alliance] Siphiroth: "headed to myr now"
[21:41:52] @@[Guild] Kadux: "It makes sense. Exactly"
[21:42:03] @@[Alliance] Vehnum: "knight commander"
[21:42:03] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "lets get to merlin"
[21:42:48] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "hamish has alb cg"
[21:45:08] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "we have eyes at myrd?"
[21:45:31] @@[Alliance] Rebecca: "yes merlin is clear atm"
[21:45:34] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "it wouldnt be a bad idea to have some speed run by excal just to check"
[21:46:02] @@[Chat] Kianna: "good idea siph...could have been just to throw us off"
[21:46:07] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "right"
[21:46:16] @@[Chat] Alias: "if there is 64 Hibs here...we MUST Zerg"
[21:46:25] @@[Alliance] Firagaz: "celt bard spotted se valley"
[21:46:25] @@[Chat] Kianna: "is it hibs?"
[21:46:26] @@[Alliance] Chaodin: "64 What on Hurbury though?"
[21:46:33] @@[Alliance] Kamela: "doe sit matter?"
[21:46:33] @@[Chat] Vicc: "aye 64 of anything we have to stay together"
[21:47:17] @@[Guild] Violator: "moving my char to merlin then i'll check hurb"
[21:47:21] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "do we know which it is yet? hibs or mids"
[21:47:24] @@[Chat] Rasha: "who has hurb claimed?"
[21:47:25] @@[Alliance] Kamela: "best move is to get into the frontier and rely on the word of scouts"
[21:47:32] @@[Chat] Kianna: "fallen souls does"
[21:47:35] @@[Alliance] Fraelek: "i mat excal its clear"
[21:47:39] @@[Guild] Hellonice: "it was a patrol spam on hurb"
[21:47:42] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "either way, we should probably meet at a relic keep, it would give us a foothold"
[21:47:43] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "it's level 10 also"
[21:47:43] @@[Guild] Zecksi: "gonna run around and get zerged"
[21:48:04] @@[Alliance] Lothair: "any alb keeps not claimed?"
[21:48:08] @@[Chat] Firagaz: "just saw 1 celt bard scouting in the se valley from myrrdin"
[21:48:13] @@[Chat] Rasha: "are mids on merlin or hurb or neither?"
[21:48:24] @@[Chat] Firagaz: "no other sightings "
[21:48:24] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "neither atm, Rasha"
[21:48:32] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "hib spotted scouting by myrd"
[21:48:47] @@[Alliance] Gwwar: "all claimed according to the herald"
[21:48:47] @@[Chat] Rasha: "EXCAL clear"
[21:48:59] @@[Alliance] Violator: "HIBS AT MERLIN"
[21:49:03] @@[Chat] Kianna: "they usually organize in that valley to the east, if someone can check that out...east of merlin that is"
[21:49:03] @@[Alliance] Violator: "HIBS AT MERLIN"
[21:49:09] @@[Chat] Vicc: "hibs at merlin"
[21:49:1 @@[Chat] Rebecca: "hibs and mids at excal"
[21:49:18] @@[Guild] Violator: "Zerg of hibs at merlin"
[21:49:21] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "I saw an elf and a norseman"
[21:49:24] @@[Alliance] Sifrith: "anyoen there"
[21:49:26] @@[Alliance] Violator: "hibs pulling relic gaurds"
[21:49:3 @@[Chat] Rasha: "at merlin you mean?"
[21:49:35] @@[Alliance] Violator: "hibs and mids"
[21:49:36] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "get to merlin"
[21:49:41] @@[Alliance] Violator: "MIDS + HIBS"
[21:49:43] @@[Alliance] Vicc: "cross team?"
[21:49:48] @@[Alliance] Violator: "they are coordinated"
[21:49:52] @@[Alliance] Rebecca: "mids and hibs are here"
[21:49:58] @@[Alliance] Violator: "mids and hibs are cooperating"
[21:50:0 @@[Chat] Rebecca: "working together"
[21:50:06] @@[Alliance] Dinosaur: "its not against the rules, don't be stupid"
[21:50:14] @@[Alliance] Violator: "mids and hibs are cooperatating to attack merlin"
[21:50:21] <Begin Info: Realm Status>
[21:50:21] Albion Outposts:
[21:50:21] Caer Boldiam: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Erasleigh: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Berkstead: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Sursbrooke: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Benowyc: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Renaris: Albion
[21:50:21] Caer Hurbury: Albion
[21:50:21]
[21:50:21] Midgard Outposts:
[21:50:21] Fensalir Faste: Midgard
[21:50:21] Arvakr Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22] Hlidskialf Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22] Nottmoor Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22] Blendrake Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22] Glenlock Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22] Bledmeer Faste: Midgard
[21:50:22]
[21:50:22] Hibernian Outposts:
[21:50:22] Dun Scathaig: Hibernia
[21:50:22] Dun Ailinne: Hibernia
[21:50:22] Dun Crimthainn: Midgard
[21:50:22] Dun Da Behnn: Hibernia
[21:50:22] Dun na nGed: Hibernia
[21:50:22] Dun Bolg: Albion
[21:50:22] Dun Crauchon: Midgard
[21:50:22]
[21:50:22] Darkness Falls: Midgard
[21:50:22] Use '/relic' for Relic Info
[21:50:22] <End Info>
[21:50:24] @@[Alliance] Siphiroth: "well, lets do what we can"
[21:50:28] @@[Alliance] Fizzled: "that doesn't make it crossteaming by mythic's definition"
[21:50:31] @@[Alliance] Fraelek: "they ahve done this before just get to frontier tell other guilds not in our /as"
[21:50:33] @@[Alliance] Zecksi: "that means no pbaoe for them"
[21:50:4 @@[Alliance] Dinosaur: "no it absolutely does not"
[21:50:48] @@[Alliance] Ahren: "upgrade your keeps"
[21:50:53] @@[Alliance] Ahren: "makes higher guards"
[21:50:53] @@[Alliance] Kamela: "126 on myrd"
[21:50:54] @@[Chat] Rasha: "Rebecca, youre at merlin, correct?"
[21:50:58] @@[Guild] [A Benowyc Knight from your outpost has been killed with 126 enemies in the area!
]
[21:50:58] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "yes"
[21:51:0 @@[Alliance] Violator: "we need EVERYONE out here asap"
[21:51:02] @@[Alliance] Ocie: "126 on merlin"
[21:51:23] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "rally at merlin, no time for anything else"
[21:51:46] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "we could set up blocks at each mf, and fight them seperately"
[21:52:03] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "127 at merlin"
[21:52:21] @@[Alliance] Violator: "1 master wizard down"
[21:52:41] @@[Alliance] Violator: "hib and mid assasins all over the relic keep"
[21:53:08] @@[Alliance] Kamela: "135 now"
[21:53:29] @@[Alliance] Violator: "they are doing a coordinated effort"
[21:53:52] @@[Chat] Sharwyn: "Hurbury clear"
[21:54:12] @@[Chat] Who: "hurb is clear"
[21:54:52] @@[Alliance] Morriigan: "127 on Merlin"
[21:54:57] @@[Chat] Gomorrah: "Berk is Clear"
[21:55:0 @@[Alliance] Vored: "133"
[21:55:27] @@[Guild] [A Master Wizard from your outpost has been killed with 131 enemies in the area!
]
[21:55:36] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "master wizzes are down"
[21:55:36] @@[Guild] Violator: "all master wizards down"
[21:55:42] @@[Alliance] Framex: "how many defending inside?"
[21:55:43] @@[Alliance] Tuto: "medacare has emain CG....we need the albions in ALBION 136 on merlin"
[21:56:18] @@[Alliance] Violator: "they are on inner door"
[21:56:36] @@[Chat] Gomorrah: "status of doors?"
[21:56:39] @@[Alliance] Firagaz: "on inner gate"
[21:56:42] @@[Chat] Lyri: "on inner"
[21:56:51] @@[Chat] Lothair: "bah"
[21:57:09] @@[Chat] Hamish: "they on 2nd door"
[21:57:15] @@[Guild] [A Benowyc Knight from your outpost has been killed with 133 enemies in the area!
]
[21:58:3 @@[Chat] Deathtohibs: "gate 80 %"
[21:59:01] @@[Chat] Zigzzag: "117 near eras "
[21:59:05] @@[Guild] Artenia: "at least we dont have to worry about Ae's that much."
[21:59:13] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "no, its at merlin, Zig"
[21:59:33] @@[Chat] Folgus: "beware stealthers along road in...tons"
[21:59:37] (Region) You have left Snowdonia Fortress.
[21:59:42] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "inner at 60%"
[21:59:56] @@[Chat] Deathtohibs: "50%"
[22:00:24] @@[Guild] [A Benowyc Knight from your outpost has been killed with 130 enemies in the area!
]
[22:00:29] @@[Chat] Kianna: "71 albs in snowd, hope they all get there soon"
[22:00:42] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "Albs need to zerg...."
[22:00:48] @@[Chat] Gethro: "Have to arrive at once and not in small grps"
[22:00:49] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "1 group at a time isn't going to do anything at merlin"
[22:00:54] @@[Alliance] Farslayer: "ru sure they just dont want to borrow sugar?"
[22:00:57] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "innrer at 30%"
[22:01:28] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "inner 15%"
[22:01:34] @@[Party] Gethro: "We going into keep if possible? Or?"
[22:01:4 @@[Party] Kianna: "no choice"
[22:01:44] @@[Party] Kerrec: "no other option"
[22:01:48] @@[Party] Kianna: "don't think we can do much from outside"
[22:01:52] @@[Chat] Rebecca: "5%"
[22:02:06] @@[Alliance] Tuto: "inner at 5% bye bye relics"
[22:02:14] @@[Party] Gethro: "Move to block instead?"
[22:02:15] @@[Alliance] Who: "Don't be hasty"
[22:02:19] @@[Alliance] Kamela: "2nd door down now"
[22:02:26] @@[Alliance] Who: "get inside tower"
[22:02:39] (Region) You have entered Castle Myrddin.
[22:02:48] @@You say, "Enter Exit"
[22:03:02] @@You say, "Enter Exit"
[22:03:13] @@[Chat] Vored: "where is the alb zerg?"
[22:03:25] @@[Party] Kerrec: "omg the lag"
[22:03:28] @@[Party] Kerrec: "I'm in the tower"
[22:03:39] @@[Chat] Mournu: "head to the pass"
[22:03:45] @@[Chat] Larsin: "Where is the pass?"
[22:03:48] @@[Alliance] Who: "they won't be able to AE in the tower"
[22:03:52] @@[Alliance] Who: "use that to our advantage"
[22:03:58] @@[Chat] Mournu: "between snow and pennine"
[22:04:0 @@[Alliance] Lothair: "inside is lost "
[22:04:47] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "1g albs heading for the snow/pen pass"
[22:04:55] @@[Guild] Kianna: "they cannot aoe, that is to our advantage"
[22:04:55] @@Who: **oh and please don't be AE anchor**
[22:05:03] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "I hope more are otw"
[22:05:15] @@[Alliance] Lothair: "uber guards pop inside"
[22:05:42] @@[Alliance] Lothair: "remember they can't use ae spells if they xteam "
[22:05:48] @@Artenia: **they cant AOE.. they will hit eachother**
[22:06:01] @@[Chat] Wayworn: "Alb going to MF's or Relic keep?"
[22:06:19] @@[Alliance] Uhoh: "whine later defend now"
[22:06:43] @@Violator: **ram is operating again**
[22:06:5 @@[Alliance] Zolar: "can we stop them still form getting power relics 2 & 3"
[22:07:04] @@[Alliance] Siphiroth: "1 and 2 will go at the same time"
[22:07:08] @@[Chat] Kianna: "ram up on inner, get here now"
[22:07:2 @@[Alliance] Farslayer: "how are alb holding up in tower?"
[22:07:22] @@Violator: **2 rams up**
[22:07:24] @@[Chat] Kianna: "we can do this"
[22:07:26] @@[Alliance] Violator: "2 rams up"
[22:07:3 @@[Alliance] Violator: "we need help"
[22:07:44] @@[Alliance] Farslayer: "repair faster im almost there lol"
[22:07:44] @@[Alliance] Bucephilis: "lots of ppl on the way"
[22:07:48] @@[Alliance] Uhoh: "124 alive atm"
[22:08:12] @@[Alliance] Kianna: "yes, and 97 albs in snowd.....we have guards on our side, we can do this"
[22:08:31] @@[Alliance] Uhoh: "if you have an alb keep and a bot logged in it upgrade the keep to ten"
[22:08:31] @@[Guild] [A Benowyc Knight from your outpost has been killed with 130 enemies in the area!
]
[22:08:45] Kerrec was just killed by Zack!
[22:08:48] @@[Party] Kerrec: "shit"
[22:08:51] @@[Party] Kerrec: "that was dumb"
[22:08:54] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "everyone not already feeding RPs at merlin pls assemble at snow/pen pass"
[22:08:56] @@[Alliance] Siphiroth: "just use hastener and move"
[22:08:58] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "everyone needs to be at teh relic now"
[22:09:12] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "we have guards and 100 albs and they cant aoe"
[22:09:14] @@[Chat] Golconda: "inner door 80%"
[22:09:14] Spighvey starts healing faster.
[22:09:2 @@[Chat] Kianna: "we need a LOT of ae castesr in the tower, if people are coming"
[22:09:22] @@[Chat] Golconda: "tower door that is"
[22:09:35] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "we can stop em, lets just get there and do our thing"
[22:10:14] You release your corpse unto death.
[22:10:14] Your surroundings suddenly change!
[22:10:27] @@[Chat] Fizzled: "ok, my group inc to feed Hibgard...guess we can't leave them hungry"
[22:10:28] @@[Chat] Golconda: "tower door 70%"
[22:10:4 @@[Alliance] Ragekai: "they on Merlin yet?"
[22:10:4 @@[Chat] Aghroc: "all i see are mids outside"
[22:10:43] (Region) You have entered Eccleston.
[22:10:5 Entering house 3.
[22:11:02] Healer cures your resurrection sickness.
[22:11:07] You target [Snowdonia Teleporter]
[22:11:36] (Region) You have entered Snowdonia Fortress.
[22:12:01] @@The Hastener says, "Greetings Kerrec. Here is a little something to aid you on your long travel across the Frontier."
[22:13:24] @@[Chat] Vored: "we have one grp approaching Merlin anyone there we can hook-up with?>"
[22:15:1 @@[Alliance] Uhoh: "96 alive now albs get there"
[22:15:17] @@[Chat] Golconda: "DOOR 25%"
[22:15:34] @@[Alliance] Icup: "inc here as well"
[22:15:46] @@[Alliance] Uhoh: "92 now"
[22:16:01] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "if every alb gets to relic we will win they can not aoe"
[22:16:07] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "albs are doing well, keep fightin"
[22:16:23] @@[Chat] Hanor: "hold out long enough and help will arrive"
[22:16:28] @@[Alliance] Folgus: "ALL DOORS DOWN"
[22:16:3 @@[Chat] Golconda: "DOOR DOWN"
[22:17:16] (Region) You have entered Castle Myrddin.
[22:17:33] @@[Chat] Golconda: "doors down, move to Hadrians"
[22:17:43] @@Gorgonzola: **ALBS ARRIVING**
[22:17:45] @@[Chat] Who: "we haven't lost yet"
[22:17:56] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "defend that relic keep"
[22:18:01] @@[Chat] Brendien: "fighting in tower now"
[22:18:14] @@[Chat] Brendien: "if you're close, head to merlin and block the doors"
[22:18:44] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "we can aoe they cant"
[22:19:08] @@[Party] Kianna: "some of us are in relic room"
[22:19:2 @@[Chat] Fizzled: "make sure relic carriers don't jump the walls and escape around us"
[22:19:26] @@[Chat] Who: "they losing"
[22:19:48] @@[Guild] [A Benowyc Knight from your outpost has been killed with 61 enemies in the area!
]
[22:19:58] @@[Chat] Kianna: "they down to 61, keep it up : ) : )"
[22:20:15] @@[Alliance] Deathtohibs: "albs still in lord room"
[22:20:16] @@[Chat] Rasha: "caul;dron down"
[22:20:22] @@[Chat] Brendien: "HIB GOT POWER"
[22:20:27] @@[Guild] Violator: "i got the pot"
[22:20:29] @@[Chat] Kerrec: "keep it up, wait for guard spawn"
[22:20:3 @@[Chat] Who: "we got it"
[22:20:33] @@[Chat] Brendien: "Grabbed by ngilam, he's dead now"
[22:20:34] @@[Chat] Who: "Hibs don't have power"
[22:20:54] @@[Chat] Deathtohibs: "they did get it"
[22:20:56] @@[Guild] Violator: "kinna has the cauldron now"
[22:21:14] @@[Chat] Vored: "guard pop"
[22:21:28] @@[Alliance] Violator: "we got it"
[22:21:3 @@[Chat] Vored: "nice show all"
[22:21:34] @@[Alliance] Violator: "we are in control of the cauldron"
[22:21:44] @@[Alliance] Violator: "focus on repairing and defending"
[22:22:08] @@[Alliance] Zilmander: "GRATS albs"
[22:22:12] @@[Chat] Kianna: "nice going albion : ) : ) : )"
[22:22:16] @@[Chat] Siphiroth: "master wizard pop"
[22:22:18] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "WTB ALBS !!!!!!"
[22:22:2 @@[Alliance] Folgus: "hahahaha nice"
[22:22:28] @@[Guild] Violator: "damn that was close i nabbed the cauldron down in the bottom of the tower"
[22:22:29] @@[Party] Kianna: "I have it"
[22:22:29] @@[Chat] Uhoh: "upgrade keeps to ten at least for a hour if you can guil;ds"
[22:22:29] @@[Alliance] Hanor: "fantastic stand" <i></i>

"It sucks for us running around for 2 hours to find 2 enemies, just as much as it sucks for you to kill one group then get hit by 4. "

Bullshit, you have no clue what it's like be be on the perpetually losing side. It does not suck just as much. Run from ligen to emain a few thousand times and tell me if you still feel that way. "We paid our $13 bucks and have all the right to play alb" blahblah, the hibs and mids paid their 13 bucks to fight 2:1 odds all day long. The suckiness is not equal by any stretch of the imagination or any spin you can put on it.

Guard spam who cares, the point is about population. come on hibgard, turn amg into a xteam party! <i>Edited by: pleasedpig at: 8/22/03 10:53 pm
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3rd door is where the uber guards/wizzies really started to cause trouble especially with the few albs in the tower. Being in a more confined space and lack of ability to use F8 or ae was hellish around the doors.

I was on the wall trying to take out wizzies but casting on them is pretty much useless sometimes. I was literally resisted every single spell for a full mana bar.

Also when we got on the 3rd door and more albs showed up the lag became even more horrible. It was bad enough before then that our bard couldn't stay connected for any significant amount of time but when we got on third door even I had trouble and I've got a strong machine. For some reason alb spells, specifically the fire wiz, just tear me up.

It was still a good raid considering we couldn't talk to most people and that made things really really tough. <i></i>

Albs caused far more trouble on the 3rd door than the first two. Most of us that were in the tower defending didn't get there until after the first 2 doors were down. On the 3rd door we were able to stall things quite nicely because of the attackers inability to AE. Our ice wizzies were able to pbae at the door with little risk, and we had people attacking the rams(destroyed at least 4 during tower door fight) and also repair the door with little damage being taken. Once the door finally came down our tanks were able to effectively limit passage into the tower because we could jam large numbers into the choke points without fear of ae damage tearing us apart. Anyone trying to get through to the relics had to break through 2 seperate gauntlets of slamming/slashing tanks just in side the doors and at the top of the first ramp. The inability to AE really hurt the attackers on this raid.

Still though, it was a well planned and executed raid. I thought you guys had us, but in the end the disadvantages to working with another realm proved to be too much to overcome. Hats off to you though, it was a lot of fun. <i></i>

"after reading the log, it's clear what the problem was. lack of efficiency past door2. 6 minutes each on the first 2 doors, over 10 minutes on the last door. those 4 extra minutes more than likely made the difference."

Because on the first 2 doors we had no resistance...on the last door when I was ramming, we had an enchanter PBAEing me, like 4 ice wizards, and a shitload of VP hitting me, plus uber wizard repop. <i></i>

Maybe try something a little different next time at the end? Once all the doors are down have only one realm go up the tower to get relics while the other realm stays down below defending. This way we won't have to worry about AoE or PBAoE killing anyone but Albs.

Ailwyn <i></i>

Someone made the astute observation that gtae hitting for 10-15 actually helped. The reason is because it interrupted Albs trying to pbae for 400-500. Peoplel think that just because Hibs and Mids worked together that they could use no AE. The truth is they needed to use AE in a different way.

Using a level 1-20 ae dd, dot, pbae, gtae will most likely not kill anyone. It will however keep the Alb casters from casting anything. It sounds like someone learned that lesson. Share it with everyone and perhaps You'll get that 4 minutes shaved off the inner doors that are needed. <i></i>

What I'm wondering is why people from both realms were on the doors at the same time. Wouldn't it make more sense to have one realm on the doors ramming and ae'ing while the other realm holds back and deals with guards? When the people on the doors begin wearing down the realms could then switch roles.

Yes, I know it would be difficult to communicate this in game, but from the way the raid went off it's obvious there were other forms of communication at work, so someone could coordinate the effort for each realm. <i></i>