Official Thread: Volcanic Pillar

Please use this thread for all VP discussion.

YAY-Now all the whiney posts are OFFICIAL!

Thanks Aphexplotz.

At least now they'll be easier to find.

Working as intended, please dont nerf.

Nothing to see here.

I've seen it used twice since the patch and neither time did it decide the battle(well decided in favor against albs as it broke an ae mezz). Much more important issues than this.

Wizards should be begging that it be reduced to a 30 minute timer and 1500 range. If not, it will be abused as word gets out and they(Mythic) will screw it back to uselessness.

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Wizards should be begging that it be reduced to a 30 minute timer and 1500 range. If not, it will be abused as word gets out and they(Mythic) will screw it back to uselessness.
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A reduction of the radius would be required too, so that spreading out gets to be a valid tactic.

"A reduction of the radius would be required too, so that spreading out gets to be a valid tactic."

Actually, all the whines are from theoretical situations wherein the wizards USE tactics to cast VP effectively. I guess tactics are an exploit then?

/NERF TACTICS!

VP = overpowered when used correctly and at the same times with other wizzies. Only problem is if anyone can get wizzies to co-ordinate these sort of attacks.

Nerf damage on Volcanic Pillar and instead give wizards a small bump in spell lines.

If not its nerfed, also boost shamans RA Ichor to do at least half the damage of pillar and keep the root. Ichor now isnt even remotly close to half the damage pillar does.

JH_man

VP only kills a lot of morons that stand close together.

If people would break their zergs off into different sections instead of all following one person this would never be a problem.

4 Wizzards using VP (a 14 point class unique RA) is no more effective that a bard, druid, and 2 manachanters bombing a large group of people standing close to each other not paying attention.

Please move on.

As stated in various other posts.
Volcanic Pillar is fine and good when used as a single attack by a single Wizzie.

The problem with Volcanic Pillar arises when it is used by multiple Wizzies at the same time.
/chat Assist me and CAST Volcanic Pillar now.

If as a group of Mids ( No BoAD) and very few shammys (end regen nerf) we are lucky to have 26+ all resists and +6 in Avoidance of Magic. Even with +32 in resists we still get hit for in excess of 500 with this spell.

The fall off area is not as bad as we are lead to belive by our wizard friends since on the recieving end this spell is totally devistating when cast by +4 wizzies at once.

There is no counter for Midgard to this spell when it is used in this manner.
Due to the inherant lag of the internet a spell that has a greater ranged than our CC mez stun cannot be easily countered by even Instant heal since by the time you realise you are taking damage its to late.

And for all those who say dont /stick when moving round together once again lag and inherant nature of life means that most people do use /stick and even if they didnt 700 radius is still extremly large.

Anyway Single use VP fine.
Multiple casting of VP by multiple wizzies working together .... Pathetically overpowering.

This exact usage of this spell is what is causing the rants on these boards.

Regards

Loaf

Omnifi, you obiously must suck hardcore at rvr if you think its the same.

5-10 second immunity timer gets my vote.

Omnifi

Lol its not just zergs that get owned by multiple VPs.

Its quite affective against single groups as well or where u come from all you see is zergs. Put it this way the larger the group the better the target for the Wizies using VP.

Regards

Loaf bored of being powned by VPs x 5

..yea remove VP from Wizzys and give all Alb casters a Stun spell in their baseline that is 2.5 sec cast and 1500 range.

....but..but..

Simply amazes me how a class that is pretty much fodder gets a little bump in ability and all the whines start. I quit playing my Wizzy because he would get killed in the first 3 seconds of a fight without getting a spell off. Either pounded by a Melee type or Stunned and Nuked to death by a 2 second nuking Hib caster...

Mythic's initial realm balancing of gimping every Alb class requiring Alb to have 2+ times the numbers to kill an opposing force are over. Get used to it

/nerf says it all.

Bump for fixing this insane RA.

Make RoD and Negative maelstrom (rm and eld RA's, both of which suck badly) the same as VP and you'll have albs begging to nerf it.

Working as intended. Get some resists and don't stand on top of eachother.

funny how people point at other classes to validate something in their class.. in case people havent noticed.. there is typically a new thread every other day whining about mana chanters and how they need to be nerfed.. so go ahead.. whine about mana chanters being overpowered, then go and use mana chanters in your example of how vp is not..

it has a gross radius, you don't need to use /assist, just all aim in the center of the zerg and /y VP NOW!

even if you don't kill a single person, this ability does enough damage to effectively win the fight on the first punch. with that much of a damage lead, the rest of the fight is just cleanup.

when will it end? Soldier's Barricade, Bunker of Faith, Speed of Sound, Faith Healing, Unquenchable Thirst of Souls, and now Volcanic Pillar.

-1k

"Loaf bored of being powned by VPs x 5 "

So you are tired of being owned by 5 people coordinating using their 14 point, 15 minute timered, class unique RA?

My lord crai a bit more?

You are crying that 5 different people who spent a total of 70......70 RA points on ONE RA.

PS. Screenshots? Logs? Anything to backup these accusations?

1. Was just UPPED by mythic.

2. Only close to DECENT argument is that 4-5-6 wizzies could combine to decimate other groups if those groups are all clustered up. NO GOOD SCREEN SHOTS OR LOGS OF THIS. JUST SPECULATIVE WHINING. It may happen now and again, the same way that I've seen 2 groups of hibs working well together annihilate 6 groups of albs in a keep take.

Thank you for the official thread. It was getting as if the whiners started a new thread every... single... day... they'd get their nerf.

I'll trade VP for better baseline/spec skill for my wizzy. And help my earth theurgie any way you can please kkthxbye.

This RA isn't so much an issue until you get high RR gank squads formed around it. Coming up against a group with 3-4 Rank 9 wizards all with this up is a scary thought.

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" Coming up against a group with 3-4 Rank 9 wizards all with this up is a scary thought. "
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What strikes me as odd is that coming up against the above was not scary until now.

On the other hand, i like your sig

Bring eldritch Negative Maelstrom and runemaster Rune of Decimation up to par with Volcanic Pillar. All 3 primary casters deserve working, powerful RAs. NM and RoD are crap.

Edit: Why the heck is NegMael on a 30 min reuse timer, but the other two are 15 min timers anyway for the same 14 realm pts?

With 50% Heat resist VP hits me in excess of 800 damage.

I am sorry, but there is something very wrong with that picture.

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"All 3 primary casters deserve working, powerful RAs."
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Mythic has a rich history of ballancing classes through RA's. Maybe the wizard one is more powerful to compensate for the lack of utility of a runemaster?

If so, then by all means equalize the RA's - right after you give wizards PBT, nearsight and runspeed in their speclines.

"With 50% Heat resist VP hits me in excess of 800 damage.

I am sorry, but there is something very wrong with that picture"

Why?

>>>>What strikes me as odd is that coming up against the above was not scary until now.


Why do Wizzies keep spouting this BS. Fire/Earth Wizzies may not be as scary as Air Theurgs, Matter Cabs, or Body Sorcs, but I still hate getting nuked by them. A well played Ice Wizard is downright scary.

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"With 50% Heat resist VP hits me in excess of 800 damage. "
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[12:33:52] You cast a Volcanic Pillar Spell!
[12:33:52] You hit for 544 (-256) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Silversword for 330 (-83) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Adamentius for 308 (-126) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Xandrea for 136 (-48) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Sorariana for 219 (-172) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Buffbott for 331 (-116) damage!
[12:33:52] You critical hit for an additional 86 damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Gruntfuttock for 131 (-1) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Cyngur for 334 (-165) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Cuure for 353 damage!
[12:33:52] You just killed Cuure!
[12:33:52] Cuure just died. His corpse lies on the ground.
[12:33:52] Cuure has been killed recently and is worth no realm points!
[12:33:52] Cuure has been killed recently and is worth no experience!
[12:33:52] You hit Velia for 418 (-27) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Aaval for 107 (-21) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Mackstaxi for 61 (-29) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Doxologies for 216 (-244) damage!
[12:33:52] You critical hit for an additional 69 damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Aiglis for 27 (-20) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Taad for 206 (-107) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Excela for 581 (-204) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Minidudeguy for 236 (-111) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Illogical for 108 (-56) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Bipo for 96 (-23) damage!
[12:33:52] You critical hit for an additional 18 damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Nativex for 75 (-61) damage!
[12:33:52] You hit Zinphin for 102 (-74) damage!
[12:33:52] The Viking Archer resists the effect!
[12:33:52] Jarl Zetras resists your spell!
[12:33:52] The Viking Archer resists the effect!
[12:33:52] This monster is worth no experience.


I might be wrong, but isn't the average damage of this VP somewhere around 220?

"Mythic has a rich history of ballancing classes through RA's. Maybe the wizard one is more powerful to compensate for the lack of utility of a runemaster?

If so, then by all means equalize the RA's - right after you give wizards PBT, nearsight and runspeed in their speclines."

Instacast, high damage, huge radius ae on a 15 minute timer does not "balance" the 3 casters. The primary casters of each realm are very different, as they should be. There is no reason that wizard deserves a working powerful unique RA and the other two do not. Elds in particular are hurting with only one really viable spec line (mana) and then mythic mocks us with a unique RA that is total rubbish.

I don't want VP for eld and runemaster, but at least improve their existing RAs in the spirit of classes ... less damage than the wizard RA but with a working, viable utility element to them.

If you dont have 50% resists in magic or more, then your resists are crap. Thats it.

"If you dont have 50% resists in magic or more, then your resists are crap. Thats it."

Try finding a full aug healer in midgard or a full aug shaman that leaves the PK.

http://www.geocities.com/alphawolf969/Vpdamage.jpg

VP needs a downward adjustment. Battles should not be decided by whose timer is up. RA's shouldn't be winning battles outright.

Working as intended.

"VP needs a downward adjustment. Battles should not be decided by whose timer is up. RA's shouldn't be winning battles outright. "

So your saying we should also nerf:

Purge
IP
AoP
BAoD
BoF
TF
AM

/sigh

/nerk you

AE Instant 1500 range Mezz has killed my groups more times than I can remember, and it's not a 14 point RA.

Mythic, adhere to the whiners. Please give me another reason to retire my toon.

Nerf now plz

I can already see all the albies saying to themselves:

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OUR ONLY SOURCE OF EZ RPS R GONE NOOOO ;["

KEKE ZERG RUSH MYTHIC TO FIX PALADINS AND ARMSMAN AND THUERAGISTS OMG FIX PLZ KTHX MAKE THEM OVERPOWERED LIKE MINTSTREL ^_^!!!!

Go ahead and cancel ap whiner.

It needs nerfing and it needs it now.

"VP only kills a lot of morons that stand close together."

That's a lie, with 700 radius 5 wizards can instantly kill a complete relict raid. Reduce damage, radius to 200, range to 1500, timer to 30 minutes and it will be still more powerful that any Midgard RA.

Pre VP fix, Wizards had been rerolling in droves. Frankly, the wizard class had little or nothing going for it, even other alb classes had much more going for them. Compare them to there Hib or Mid counterparts and wizards came up seriously lacking:

1. less potential damage (debuffing chanter, runi)

2. no utility.

3. lowest survival rate per rp in the game.

VP saved the class from extinction. Even with VP you only hear things like:

"Well at least I got my VP off b4 i was killed"

"Well I killed one b4 i died"

"If vp were up i might have killed one b4 I died"

"sorry couldnt use VP, i was stunned."

"sorry couldnt use VP, i was mezzed."

"sorry couldnt use VP, i was insta killed by a savage."

"sorry couldnt use VP, i was hit for 800 by that moose."

"sorry couldnt use VP, they were to spread out."

In additon, rps gain across servers seem to be favoring both Hibs #1 and Mids #2 and Albion dead last. If VP were such a monster why is this so?

"If"

Mythic gave wizards some real damage maybe then some type of toning down of vp would be justified, as it stands NO.

Yoou know...just hearing minstrel in the same sentence sounds funny.

"If you dont have 50% resists in magic or more, then your resists are crap. Thats it."

Try finding a full aug healer in midgard or a full aug shaman that leaves the PK.

http://www.geocities.com/alphawolf969/Vpdamage.jpg

VP needs a downward adjustment. Battles should not be decided by whose timer is up. RA's shouldn't be winning battles outright."

You are making no sense, that pic means nothing have you seen Iceciely's pics? See the resists? Not my fault if you cant get your resists maxed. Tons of groups we go up againts are all maxed out. VP if anything should do more damage, and it will when they fix resists. Most of my chars have magic 50%+ resists without any SCed gear so I know you can get some. If you died you didnt have resists up and were cought off gaurd. Cant even tell you how many times we were insant mezzed yesterday. And still came out on top without using VP. And we had like no mezzer. Couldnt use VP it was down, moc too. We just used tactics after some newb aoe us and broke the mez hehe.

<I quit playing my Wizzy because he would get killed in the first 3 seconds of a fight without getting a spell off. Either pounded by a Melee type or Stunned and Nuked to death by a 2 second nuking Hib caster...>

Hey, great, you just described the life of practically every caster. I quit playing my Light Eld for the same reason.

Stun from shields, minstrels, healers. Prevent flight. The sweet taste of Hibernian Earth in Emain.

The trick is to stop comparing classes. It really doesn't take me that much longer to plant an RM withmy hero than a Wizzy. If anything Wizzies have it better with BoF. I can't kill a Wizzy when BoF is up, I can pop PBT and slam an RM.

"So your saying we should also nerf:

Purge
IP
AoP
BAoD
BoF
TF
AM"

Sure, but VP is as good a place to start nerfing as any.

"You are making no sense, that pic means nothing have you seen Iceciely's pics? See the resists? Not my fault if you cant get your resists maxed. Tons of groups we go up againts are all maxed out. VP if anything should do more damage, and it will when they fix resists. Most of my chars have magic 50%+ resists without any SCed gear so I know you can get some. If you died you didnt have resists up and were cought off gaurd. Cant even tell you how many times we were insant mezzed yesterday. And still came out on top without using VP. And we had like no mezzer. Couldnt use VP it was down, moc too. We just used tactics after some newb aoe us and broke the mez hehe."

Not everyone has their own buff bot, they should not suffer instadeath for this crime. I merely posted the screen shot to show what VP is capable of, you can see it is doing up to 900 damage on level 50's before resists are taken into account.

If hibs or mids had VP, albs would be the ones screaming loudest for it to be nerfed. You don't want to admit it's overpowered fine, we will do it for you.

"t really doesn't take me that much longer to plant an RM withmy hero than a Wizzy. If anything Wizzies have it better with BoF. I can't kill a Wizzy when BoF is up, I can pop PBT and slam an RM."

And how is a wizard easier to kill than an eld?

"Not everyone has their own buff bot, they should not suffer instadeath for this crime. I merely posted the screen shot to show what VP is capable of, you can see it is doing up to 900 damage on level 50's before resists are taken into account.

If hibs or mids had VP, albs would be the ones screaming loudest for it to be nerfed. You don't want to admit it's overpowered fine, we will do it for you."


I know what VP is capable of and I know what its not capable of. Resists are like speed, you have it or you dont. This has nothing to do with buffbots. Since you need a buffbot in group for resists. Not like we are going to run back to pk or bk or a keep and get resists buffs, who the hell does that? Most of our fights were in the away from a pk and we didnt even have maxed buffs, was missing a Friar. Resists just like speed means you can die fast in rvr if you dont have them. If you are rvring without Speed, Resists, Buffs, or healing you deserve to die. We went out with no healer a few times man did we die fast and. We also when out with no speed, man did we die fast.

If hibs/mids have vp we would be whining, wow another If. Guess what, you dont have VP. Thats like saying if Albs had aoe stun or instant mez you guys all would be crying. Its true you would be crying. But we would be crying if you had VP? No. Why? Albs know what mids/hibs can do why the hell would we?
We asked for instant CC long time ago and they gave us everything but it. You may think these RAs are overpowered but we are telling you how to stop them. (stupid of us) I know. So deal with it.

Mids have instant CC(mez and stun), pbaoe, high melee damage dealers, and skalds like albs have paladins. See no reason for mids to be crying. Hibs have tons of casters, all with stuns, Tons of Bards with speed who can rez, heal and instant CC, and 2 pbaoe classes and some good tanks. A chanter RA that is supposed to be single yet its a grouped RA spell, that can boost up to Resists up to 100%!! Not only that group purge and sinlge purge means if we did have CC odds are they wont get mezzed. I see no reason for hibs to complain.

Its pretty clear if you want to live you should get some RAs and some resists. You have things that are way better than any alb RA thats a skill spec yet you make it seem like 1 VP group of albs is killing a ton of hibs/mids. Check SS...


http://www.vigilanceguild.com/images/gallery/griviel/1.62Patch.jpg


All the hibs you see dead are dead from pbaoe, its just 1 group of us, 3 ice wizards, 1 pbaoe necro, 1 merc, 1 pally, 1 cleric, 1 sorc. Alot of hibs released before I snapped shot not sure how many we go but was well over 40. We killed none with VP there. I have never seen a VP group take out 40 hibs/mids instantly and odds are you wont either, unless they were afk or not paying attention and standing really close. I would say only reason we didnt kill them all is we ran out of power. Thats all from pbaoe so is pbaoe going to get nefed for this? NO, Maybe hibs/mids just should think about what they saying.

"http://www.vigilanceguild.com/images/gallery/griviel/1.62Patch.jpg


All the hibs you see dead are dead from pbaoe, its just 1 group of us, 3 ice wizards, 1 pbaoe necro, 1 merc, 1 pally, 1 cleric, 1 sorc. Alot of hibs released before I snapped shot not sure how many we go but was well over 40. We killed none with VP there. I have never seen a VP group take out 40 hibs/mids instantly and odds are you wont either, unless they were afk or not paying attention and standing really close. I would say only reason we didnt kill them all is we ran out of power. Thats all from pbaoe so is pbaoe going to get nefed for this? NO, Maybe hibs/mids just should think about what they saying. "

Pbae is not instant, is not ranged and has a radius of 300. If your VP was the same it would be fine.

"Pbae is not instant, is not ranged and has a radius of 300. If you VP was the same it would be fine."

Sorry you lost this one, we didnt kill them casting one pbaoe, VP is only 1 time every 15 minutes. Its same damage as pbaoe. To do what you saying we need to keep casting VP, cant its once every 15 minutes. If VP was what you saying then it would be useless. If it was like pbaoe, then they would need to let you cast it very 2.5 secs like pboae for like 15 or 30 seconds or something to be worth it.