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Archers were NEVER the RP cows of old, you n00b. You want a cow? Try on my Earth Theurgist. Before 1.62, I at least HAD a purpose in battle. Now in 1.62, fleeting/dying classes were finally given the death knell as their class-defining abilities were torn away to assist an already good (if not mediocre) class.
As much as I love to see my fellow Albion scouts take to the battlefield with renewed vigor...did it really have to come at the cost of MY character's effectiveness? I was gimped before, now I'm useless.
Thankyouverymuch.
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How can 1 class change make pbt gimp? Frankly I see more archers now but not so many more that pbt is now useless. PBT is useful against all melee as 90% of the time it stops the first hit. That means that rear stun, slam, snare etc. was stopped and gave your realm mate a chance to get away. How is that gimp now that archers can get through it and do *gasp* damage that is still less than a caster. Also you can ALWAYS run away from an archer.
I'd like to know how many RR5+ archers are out there destroying you with LS and volley and "nerfing" your pbt. Tell me a situation OTHER than an assasination style one where the fact that the archer penetrates pbt will win an 8v8 battle. I start getting hit I run out of range and then head back in just like I do when I get hit by a caster. At least my shield blocks arrows a fair bit.
The reason that theurgs and runies specced out of pbt is because the rest of the spec line is gimp not because of the great archer threat. At least wardens do get nice resists.
I agree that wardens need something fun to do in RvR but saying that pbt is gimp because of scouts and hunters (who still have low numbers after the patch) is just stupid. PBT works well vs melee in all instances it just is uber vs slow weapons (and previously archers).
Wardens should ask for a shield spec to replace blades, then you could be a l33t slam bot and keep your casters happy and safe.
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Mythic told wardens outright no shield spec nor will they add lines to classes. We have asked a few times btw. And after the PBT nerf.
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"How is that gimp now that archers can get through it and do *gasp* damage that is still less than a caster. Also you can ALWAYS run away from an archer."
>>Again with the @#$%^&*I( caster envy! WTF? Archer's out melee us then want to be able to do damage at range equal to a caster's? You get Stealth and evade and self buffs! WTF else do you want? JESUS CHRIST MY 2 YEAR OLD WHINES LESS THEN YOU ALL!!
YOU ALL CAN ROT IN HELL, ANY RANGER ASKING TO JOIN MY GROUP WILL GET BITCH SLAPPED FIRST AND KICKED IN THE ARSE SECOND!
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This thread get funnier by the minute....
CRY MORE WARDENS!
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Yet again, arches rule RVR. Somebody calls them on it and all they have to say in their defense is "cry noob".
Nice comeback guys. :/
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To Summarise:
- Archers were on of the worst classes to play pre-patch. Getting your chief form of attack blocked 80% of the time was pathetic. If you advocate archers not getting through PBT then you should advocate the implementation of PST (pulsing spellturn) which would have the same effect against spells, because by logic if PBT is fair against arrows so PST should be too.
- Assisting? Well if an archer had another archer to assist that would be a whole different thing, but then the same could be said if pulsing spellturn was implemented, just have casters assist.
”Rapid Fire - With Rapid fire you now allow archers to fire at .9 seconds per shot. This means they can get 5 shots in between pbt pulses. Even with unfavourable PBT timing (IE First shot breaks bt but then it refreshes immediately) the Archer still gets quite a few shots off. “
- This is very rare, the average for the slowest bow being about 2s-3s at ½ the normal damage it would cause. Not very different from a caster quickcast. Also remember archers don’t have any form of CC or quickcast. Under rapid fire an archer can only fire about 10 arrows before his end bar runs out. This is really not very efficient since he can only kill at most (if healer is paying attention probably not even), 1 person!!!!! OVERPOWERED!
”So, Since Rapid fire already breaks PBT it would have been enough on its own. “
- Rapid fire just lets an archer shoot for ½ the damage for twice the amount of endurance. This is no different from using a faster bow for less damage, the only thing that has been changed here is so archers don’t have to switch weapons constantly to maintain high rates of fire for less damage and more endurance. This was to combat the quickcast ability of casters.
- Archery also still suffers from:
1) High rate of misses
2) Self-BT still stops arrows (any form including PBT)
3) High misses verses any shield opponent
4) Almost 100% of characters under guard by high shield tank
5) Lower damage than casters
6) Longer drawtime than caster (or much less damage if RF used)
7) See Hidden
8) Nearsight longest range spell in game
9) Caster GTAE + assassins with See Hidden stopped archers ability to defend keeps
10) No CC
11) No quickcast
12) Arrow evadable (high evades some classes make it very hard to shoot them)
- On top of this the archer has no group benefiting abilities.
- So if you think the concept is sound, please advocate in all fairness that pulsing spellturn be added to make it fair. (btw I think pulsing spellturn is a dumb idea).
- Lastly, archers also suffered from both melee and caster penalties before the patch, they would be interrupted like casters would, but had no form of CC, or quickcast to protect themselves. Most of the time groups would just not bother about the archer because they didn’t perceive them as a threat, and they were just RP cows, and archer were just not wanted in groups. Hence, they were at the bottom of the RP table week after week even though they were a damage dealing class, because they just didn’t even deal damage efficiently enough.
- Give the patch a few weeks, and if all archers are so ‘UBER’ as you say now, then they should rank really high in the RP charts, but I really don’t see that happening. They are still a sub-par class, with now added functionality to help them on their way to get in line with the other classes.
How about the other classes that get through PBT?
Spiritmaster
Runemaster
Bone Dancer
Anamist
Mentalist
Eldritch
Enchanter
Cabalist
Wizard
Theurgist
Sorcerer
The point is archers face both the penalties of range attack (being interrupted), and melee (shields, engage, no CC, no quickcast).
How can one advocate becoming having a whole group almost immune to the primary attack of one class from one spell?
“"So archers should not assist? Can they assist off each other?"
Population Numbers L50 (Camelot-seer)
15 Warden 1,868
24 Scout 1,528
Wardens outnumber scouts at L50. If you manage to get 2 scouts in a group there is a greater chance that the other group has 2 wardens.”
^^ LOL great post. Wardens were against PBT not being able to stack, well stacking PBT worked against archers and that means if you have 2 wardens in a group and 2 archers assisting, it’s the same problem all over again. They don’t even need to /assist, just run stacking PBT.
As for archers being overpowered after the patch, please not the number of archers in top 10 RP earners last week:
SCOUT 5
RANGER 2
HUNTER 0
(and this is with a new buff patch for archers which should have made a ton or archers rvr last week).
Also, how can 1 class getting through PBT from each realm make wardens useless? Hmm, unless they were being used TOO effectively against this classes to begin with! I know people with wardens who would advertise their LFG (looking for group) as: “6s PBTer LFG, become immune to all arrows”. But of course someone will say, “but there are almost no archers playing? ;/”
The main problem was archers were not causing enough damage. If you’re saying /assisting melees is enough then why not institute pulsing spellturn and have it break when melees attack it?
Otherwise please start asking for more for your class because, without the obvious conclusion that PST should be instituted and that it should STACK as well, I don’t see why casters should not have to deal PST while archers will have to. What makes you think redoing the patch will make wardens ‘fun’ again? Prior to the changes I knew groups that used warden bots that ran around with them. I don’t see how doing more ‘nothing’ to be effective against archers will make wardens fun?
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Archers were major RP cows. Assassin referred to us exactly in that way, and all the casters cheered.
I don't necessarily agree with PA, but archers needed a ton of help.
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Also, the original poster forget that arches also have a special ability called: "Penetrate keep/AMG/MMG/HMG".
Yes Virginia, arches can shoot through solid objects like they weren't their. Yes Virginia, these are the same people whining to get PBAE to be blocked by walls.
Hilarious guys.
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"Archers were major RP cows."
And you think all the other non-stealther in the game are not if the DON'T GROUP!!!
YES EVERYONE SHOULD BE AN RP COW IF THEY SOLO..
the sooner Mythic make this happen (ie MAKE EVERY CLASS GROUP DEPENDANT) the better the game will be for everyone..
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"So what you are saying is you want the Warden to be fun and the archer changes are what's causing the Warden to not be fun anymore? Is that what this thread is about? To nerf archers again so Wardens will be fun again? I didn't realize Wardens were such a blast of a class prior to the archer changes.
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hence why they're complaining. they took a class that already lacks luster and made it even less appealing.
back to what i originally said... archers were never rp cows of anybody except assns. the sh nerf should have been sufficient to fix this problem. there was no need to add rf/pa.
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Nope they aren't. Archers are rps cows even when they group, so your logic fails.
Archer cannot and never could shoot through walls. It's called volley, 14 pt RA than does almost zero damage sice 80% of the shots miss.
PBAOE however does huge damage through walls.
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ahem...
that requires 50 spec in bow
which denies quite a few on flexability... many archers (including scouts) dont spec 50 bow (which is required for PA3) for more melee capability.
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>>I know you are not familiar with Wardens, but we do not heal that well, it would take us 2 casts to heal for as much as you do in 1 shot. >>
On one hand, I can accept this... if the shot is a normal shot/crit shot, you may be hard pressed to keep up. You'd be amazed how much a resist can do however... but I digress.
For me to get a normal shot off, I can easily be taken care of in the meantime....
On the other hand, i cannot. To say you can't heal as much as I shoot for... with RF, you can. 
>>Uhm, self buffed my weaponskill is just ~1071, not the ~1500 someone posted that archers weaponskill is. And we have about 14 - 1500 hps, so first we have to reach you, then melee you down? Riiiiiiiiiiiight, like that will happen.
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A melee opponent will interrupt the archer. Note: off the top of my head, I forget what my own melee skill is, so I'll have to get back to you.
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"Yet again, arches rule RVR. Somebody calls them on it and all they have to say in their defense is "cry noob".
Nice comeback guys. :/ "
Scouts and Rangers rule in RvR ,HUNTERS DONT !
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"Yet again, arches rule RVR. Somebody calls them on it and all they have to say in their defense is "cry noob". "
Oh yeah fear the hordes of ruling Hunters out there!
The other night when I played in RvR there were 3 level 50 Hunters total on Lancelot. There were only 18 Hunters of all levels on Lancelot.
But hey, since Scouts and Rangers are "ruling" and they are archers, let's just assume Hunters rule as well and leave them at that.
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Vladimir,
I admire your persistance. But Hunters lack of populations is not related to their performance as much as its a 'culture' thing @ Midgard.
You have more effective FoTM classes than the Archer.
A Hunter compares quite favourable to the Ranger and the Scout. Each has their strengths and weaknesses but class compared to class, your perofromacne in game is roughly equal.
NOW, you will priobably rant and rave and bring out RP's and say I am a moron.
RP's measure only RvR activity and are largely population dependant. Within their REALMS Scouts and Rangers are 'more attractive' options than hunters are within their own realm.
I can guarantee if you moved the Hunter to Albion, the class would be much more popular than it is in Midgard.
I would suggest you go to Gaheris. Hunters outnumber Scouts last I checked. Also, on Gaheris (or the dreds) You can work _with_ a scout and a Ranger and peform testing. All use the same equipment roughly, and then see what its like to take down the same mobs etc.
I realise you think Hunters are really abd off. But I wish you might take moer time to look deeper into the issue.
YES Hunters do not have the same popuationa dand RP's.
You need to start asking yourself _WHY_ and maybe doing some tests.
Like I said, go to either Pendragon, Gaheris or one of the dreds. Find out how each of the classes perform in an environment where your 'realm' is less important.
Certaily I would like you to have fun as a Hunter, and if you can show eral proof where YOU a dedicated player, are less effective than an equally dedicated and skilled Ranger/Scout.. then I will lend more credence to your complaints.
I will say though that anything using RP's as your main indicator of class performance I will view with extreme prejudice.
Things I will find 'worthwhile' are controlled tests.
Say a Scout a Hunter and a Ranger all Fight the same oh, I dunno.. Lets say Enchanter.
All three of you have 10+ Duels with the Enchanter. If the Hunters performance is significantly below that of the Ranger or the Scout, you may have a point.
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Gwal, I do agree with many of your points and I too feel that PAarrow is far far from needed when we have rapidfire.
I too believe another kind of fix should have replaced it.
At the very least, it should have been an active skill instead of passive, with only a chance to pierce pBT, not 100%.
Or have it be disabled when rapidfire is turned on.
What I do NOT agree with you on, is how it renders pBT, and wardens, useless.
So wardens are being shelved or used as pve bots now?
Is it really because everybody thinks pBT is useless now and refuse to group with them just so they can get another druid or bard?
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is it just those wardens' OWN percieved notion that that make them ASSUME that everybody would think they are useless now and refuse to group them just so they can get another druid or bard?
hmm?
I'll ask this many-times-asked question once again:
Has any warden been refused a group so far because the only thing they can bring to the group (pBT) is now "useless"?
I'll add one more:
Has any warden suddenly find themselves no longer getting, or getting alot less invites to groups since the last patch?
PBT is useful only against slow weapons?
You mean to say fast weapons can ignore and hit through PBT? that blocking even ONE hit from even a 2.2sec weapon is useless?
A bit less useful maybe, but useLESS?
As far as I'm concerned, ANYone with the ability to heal any amount, is valuable to my group, especially one in chain armor.
You may not heal as well as druids and bards can, but they can't fight as well as you.
You may not fight as well as a hero or champion can but they can't heal and buff people at all.
I see wardens are starting to make the very same mistakes the archer community made;
focusing only on why "wardens are useless now" and slowly influencing others to ignore and forget the strengths of the class.
This is the sure way to make a percieved problem real.
Given enough negative posting, even paladins can be made 'useless' in PvE without the class being touched at all patchwise.
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"see wardens are starting to make the very same mistakes the archer community made;
focusing only on why "wardens are useless now" and slowly influencing others to ignore and forget the strengths of the class. "
Actually, the archer community as a whole taught us a good lesson, whining works.
Since the game has come out we have attempted to work with Mythic in a mature manner. RF+PA has taught us whining works. Being mature does not.
As a whole, Mythic has ignored the naturalist community. Bards are still muffy to play and now wardens.
Mythic has responeded only those communities that are large and /or whines alot. One has to wonder why? Could it be a numbers game and $$$$$? issue???
But I must add though, we still provide logical arguments inspite of ourselves. Must be a naturalist "thing."
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Trei read my responces to your questions in regaurds to play.
If we are wanted, now, its for the mediocre healing we do not PBT. PBT was very situational before 1.62 and now less so. We don't fight well or heal well. PBT was our class defining skill as the bow skill is to you. Now we cannot perform our job adequately. That is good for the warden class how?
Wheather we are wanted or not however is not the issue. The issue is that your class was upped on the backs of pbt classes.
When, in fact, Mythic agreed pbt was not over powering, Neill the TL admitted this to us. Why did Mythic agree to PA? It was because Mythic thought archers perceived PBT in a negative manner. So, in fact, to up archers Mythic followed a policy of appeasment to up archer populations. Which, in fact, it did do. But, now, the wardens and naturalist populations are dropping. RVR is speeding up consequently too.
Ask yourself how many people are creating wardens in comparision to archers? How fun is it to play the warden class?
A policy of appeasment was never the way to go, especially, if this appeasment downs three other class groups and effects the game as a whole. Archers should have been upped on their own merits i.e. bow styles etc. There were many good ideas out there etc. even in the archer communities. A more thoughtful approach should have been taken. But we shall see how this plays out in the next 4-6 months.
I think eventually, however, Mythic will need to re-adjust RF+PA. This in turn will frustrate archers and make their community as a whole frustrated. All because the changes were not well thoughtout or implemented in a fair and thoughtful manner to involved.
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"Actually, the archer community as a whole taught us a good lesson, whining works."
If you're going to play the who-whined-first game, remember that it wasn't archers who asked to be nerfed in the first place; it was everyone else who demanded it. Whining? Oh, you BET there was whining.
People always assume that whining is the impetus for any change Mythic makes to the game. I respectfully suggest that some complaints have a basis in reality and illustrate a real imbalance in the game, whereas others are just whining.
Make the call yourself, but try to have a little perspective.
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No you taught them that, that is why archers where nerfed in the first place. A hoard of whining casters/healers got them nerfed to obliviion.
And if you notice almost 99% of the calls for nerfs come from casters who think that NO ONE should kill them but other casters and even then they will whine and ask for nerfs eg( see Chanter and Wizard Pillar of fire nerf posts)
["see wardens are starting to make the very same mistakes the archer community made;
focusing only on why "wardens are useless now" and slowly influencing others to ignore and forget the strengths of the class. "
Actually, the archer community as a whole taught us a good lesson, whining works.
Since the game has come out we have attempted to work with Mythic in a mature manner. RF+PA has taught us whining works. Being mature does not.
As a whole, Mythic has ignored the naturalist community. Bards are stiff muffy to play and now wardens.
Mythic has responeded only those communities that are large and /or whines alot. One has to wonder why? Could it be a numbers game and $$$$$? issue???
But I must add though, we still provide logical arguments inspite of ourselves. Must be a naturalist "thing." ]
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"People always assume that whining is the impetus for any change Mythic makes to the game. I respectfully suggest that some complaints have a basis in reality and illustrate a real imbalance in the game, whereas others are just whining."
Actually yes it was an impetus. Some of the archer TLs encouraged write ins to Mythic.
But you also forget the part of being logical with logical statements. But that never botther the archer community with all the dood posts.
Gwal, I and many others have layed out many reasons why RF+PA were not the way to go. Also, layed out better ways. Most archers who read the posts agreed that these would have been preferable ways to go but, hey, they said I'll take what I can to up my class.
So what of PA downs yours? BTW, Mythic has to redesign the warden class that is how much this was an impact this was to the class. Many other PBT class groups had to spec out of their PBT lines. It became little use to them. Go ask your local earth thuergy.
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RE: Mythic - Giving Archer THREE methods to bypass PBT is entirely too much...
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>>As far as I'm concerned, ANYone with the ability to heal any amount, is valuable to my group, especially one in chain armor.
You may not heal as well as druids and bards can, but they can't fight as well as you.<<
First, you really have no idea how uselesss a warden is at healing at high levels till you count on one to try. I try and save a friend from death with my highest level heal, and it gives him apx 10% of his life.... a green mob can hit him for more damage than that, let alone ANY player. Okay maybe if you could chain cast this heal, but alas no, after 6-7 casts of it the warden is out of mana, and PBT has ceased to work at all.
Second, yes... a druid or bard CAN fight as well. Druids get a self dmg buff + a pet that when combined is = to the melee damage of a warden. The only difference is they cant style. Which would be a bonus for the warden except the ONLY anytime style my warden has is his taunt (unless you count the detaunt, which has 0 dmg bonus, or the first style which has pretty much 0 bonus too). Out of 15 possible style attacks I have 4 based off of blocking (which cant be specced), 3 based off of parry (which by default is FORCED to be low), 5 based off of positional styles, and the only one with any even remotely useful effect is a lvl 10 side positional slow....
I really am not trying to whine, but the weapon specs and styles given to wardens make them nothing more than taunt spammers, and low damage ones at that.
>>Many other PBT class groups had to spec out of their PBT lines. It became little use to them. Go ask your local earth thuergy.<<
Funny thing is most of the wardens I know and play with want to do this too.... but what else cant a warden spec to make them useful? Heals? Most of what you get are self melee buffs (end reduction, health buffer, end regen) then you get one extra heal, and one extra rez. I have grouped with Regrowth wardens.. and really it is pathetic to see them run out of mana after 1-2 fights because our power pool combined with low heals is a joke.
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I'm not advocating tet for tat. I was being satirical.
But I do not agree that Mythic plays a number game with their write ins. Sanya has said this is how her "white" board works. I don't think that approach leads to good customer service for those communities who may lack numbers and/or try to use the TL report system and hope for positive changes.
But I'm not a good judge of why archers were first nerfed. It could have been the class was over powered when it first entered the game.
However, the nerfs should have been better thought out way. Thats my point here also with PA also today.
Mythic needs to implement changes in a better, more thoughtful, manner. I lay the blame on their door steps.
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"As much as I love to see my fellow Albion scouts take to the battlefield with renewed vigor...did it really have to come at the cost of MY character's effectiveness? I was gimped before, now I'm useless. "
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