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Having Wild Healing 5 make Heal Proc on Pet go off more or CRIT for more ?
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Does the RA from the Cleric called Wild Healing transfer to Necro Pet with Heal Proc on..?
Will Heal Proc go off like crazy with Wild Healing 5 ?
Please somebody they has tried it
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I havent seen a difference in the proc rate for Trial by Fire regardless of wild healing, however, its rumored that the upcoming Friar proc will go off 15% more often than Trial by Fire does.
Wild healing seems to only affect the amount your casted heal spells heal for.
I could be wrong, but I'll never admit it
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Almost certainly not.
Here is why.
Testing of the heal proc on characters shows that the spell acts as though the buffed character is casting the heal, not the cleric.
Here is some summary test data from January 2005.
1. The amount of healing is affected by the enhance spec of the recipient
(See Armsman vs Heretic/Cleric)
2. The amount of healing is affected by the ToA heal bonus of the recipient.
(See Heretic vs Cleric)
3. Enhance spec and ToA bonuses of the caster do not affect this buff
(general result)
4. The player's ToA heal bonus is applied before the enhance spec bonus
5. Proc rate is probably 10% to 15%.
6. Performance when cast on an abomination could not be measured
(heal value not reported)
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Summary of test data and analysis
Spell
Trial by Fire (level 49)
Delves 126 heal value
Buffing Cleric
50+15 Enhance
25% ToA buff bonus
19+10 Rejuv
25% ToA healing bonus
Heretic #1
Level 50 with shield removed.
50+4 Enhance
21% ToA buff bonus
1+15 Rejuv
0% ToA healing bonus
Heretic #2
Level 50 with shield removed.
50+4 Enhance
21% ToA buff bonus
1+15 Rejuv
8% ToA healing bonus
Armsman
Level 50 with shield removed.
0% ToA healing bonus
0% ToA buff bonus
Necromancer
Level 50 with level 44 abomination.
0% ToA healing bonus
0% ToA buff bonus
Proc rate
These tests are too short to verify proc rate.
Apparent rate is 10 to 15%.
Amount healed
When cast on cleric = 196, 196, 196, 196, 196
When cast on armsman = 117, 61, 90, 49, 102, 122, 108, 56, 70, 73, 32, 91, 56, 59, 115, 139, 148, 83, 82, 50, 134
When cast on heretic #1= 157, 157, 157, 157, 157
When cast on heretic #2= 170, 170, test terminated
When cast on abomination = unknown. Heal amount not visible.
Analysis
1. The armsman received about 25% to 117% of the delve value.
This result is consistent with casting of baseline spells by players with very low specialization.
2. The Heretic and Cleric have capped returns.
Something that they have in common causes this.
The only obvious common feature is 50+ enhance.
Applying the 25% bonus for spec>spell level results in
126*125% = 157
==> exactly the value observed by the Heretic
3. The Cleric received 25% higher return than did the Heretic.
The obvious difference is the ToA healing bonus (25% cleric vs 0% Heretic)
157*125% = 196
==> exactly the value observed by the Cleric
4. The player's ToA heal bonus is applied before the enhance spec bonus
From Heretic #2
If enhance spec bonus were applied first
126*125% = 157
157*108% = 169
If ToA Heal bonus were applied first
126*108% = 136
136*125% = 170
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i dunno red, i ran some extensive tests last week where I hit my bot with heal proc up twice and wmg it healed for tons!
thus in conclusion, after a 2 hit test, heal proc is for sure affected by wild healing.
you dont test hard enough red!
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Red, you know in a recent patch (can't remember which one) mythic made it so you can see your how much your heal proc is healing for. Something to the effect of "You heal the abomination for 137 hit points." everytime it goes off. I think that would make testing pretty easy  .
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I'll try to get some wild healing on my Pendragon cleric and give it a try.
I looked in my test log from the 10Jan06 test and saw no heal messages when testing the heal proc on the abomination.
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If you need a cleric for Pendragon, let me know. I'm not sure what is available to you, but I have a cleric capable of WH5 with 25% heal bonus
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RE: Having Wild Healing 5 make Heal Proc on Pet go off more or CRIT for more ?
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Well I figured out why I thought the heal proc was not being reported.
1. Heal proc did not go off for a long time
2. The mob was auto-healed at 50% and its heal graphic looks like ours.
3. I was standing behind abomination and could not tell the difference.
I did testing with the same cleric as above, except I traded MCL and DI for Wild healing 5
Testing with Wild Healing 5: cleric vs test mob
93 hits by test mob
10 heal procs fired
proc results = 196, 196, 196, 196, 196, 196, 196, 196, 196, 196
==> Wild healing had no impact on proc rate (about 10% as expected)
==> Wild healing had no impact on amount healed
Testing with Wild Healing 5: abomination vs test mob
122 hits by test mob
11 heal procs fired
proc results = 137, 128, 123, 136, 153, 154, 141, 105, 117, 109, 128
==>proc rate is same as for player character (about 10%)
==>amount healed is much better than for a tank
...(83% to 122% of delve for abomination) vs (25% to 117% for armsman)
Testing with no Wild Healing: abomination vs test mob
81 hits by test mob
10 heal procs fired
proc results = 148, 138, 138, 128, 131, 132, 127, 115, 136, 126
==>proc rate was higher than with WH5 (12% vs 9%), but this type of variation is likely with small sample sizes.
==>amount healed is similar to WH5 (91% to 117%)
Testing with no Wild Healing: Scout vs test mob
134 hits by test mob
11 heal procs fired
proc results = 126, 146, 74, 84, 93, 119, 132, 65, 153, 47, 34
==>amount healed is similar to Armsman(27% to 121% of delve)
Aside: like all tests of the random number generator you can encounter streaks
The first 9 procs of the scout occurred in 23 attacks (about 40%)
The last 2 procs took 111 attacks (about 2%)
Conclusions
1. Wild healing does not affect the performance of the cleric heal proc
2. The melee class TLs should investigate the large proc variation. Main tanks should benefit more from this buff.
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good lord you're the best TL ever.
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After the testing I know this is a little late. But how could wild healing on the cleric ever have a chance to affect the buff on someone else. I know that with mythic that logic is sometimes not as solid as it should be, but in this case I think it holds true.
Wild healing is a chance per casting of a spell for it to critical hit, and heal for more than is normal for that spell. Trial by fire is timed spell, a buff cast on group members. Since when it fires it is considered a self heal, NOW if a necro could spec in wild helaing I might consider it helping the buff, but even then I highly doubt it would.
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