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CrunchyGremlin
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just to be sure you all saw this. I believe it must be the type of bow that is preventing the DS from doing damage.
no it isnt a range issue. there is something about archers that prevents the damage shield from hitting them some of the time.
realm mate archer grabbed agro on his way to work. I tried to help grabbed the agro and cast hot and ds. 2 hib archers attacked us. I had my pet charge one.
When the pet started casting the pbae, which was a mistake, the archer was just outside of the ae effect. i started casting the LT right after the pbae within the FP timer.
Damage shield is not hitting either archer although clearly dorr is within 1500 units and he is actually much closer then that. i am sure i would of been able to cast insta dd.
The damage shield is cleary on.
[04:39:08] You cast a Facilitate Painworking Spell!
[04:39:08] The abomination will begin casting this spell after its current action is finished.
[04:39:09] You cast a Channeled Frenzy Spell!
[04:39:09] The abomination will begin casting this spell after its current action is finished.
[04:39:10] The hoary worm hits your abomination for 117 damage.
[04:39:10] Your pet hits hoary worm for 92 extra damage!
[04:39:10] Dorr hits your abomination for 190 damage.
[04:39:10] Your pet is hit by Dorr for 26 extra damage!
[04:39:10] Dorr hits your abomination for 26 damage.
[04:39:10] Dorr hits your abomination for 26 damage.
[04:39:11] You cast a Theft of Liveliness Spell!
[04:39:11] The abomination will begin casting this spell after its current action is finished.
[04:39:12] The abomination casts a spell!
[04:39:12] You hit the hoary worm for 119 damage!
[04:39:14] The hoary worm hits your abomination for 129 damage.
[04:39:14] Your pet hits hoary worm for 102 extra damage!
[04:39:14] Dorr hits your abomination for 156 damage.
[04:39:14] Your pet is hit by Dorr for 23 extra damage!
[04:39:14] Dorr hits your abomination for 23 damage.
[04:39:14] Dorr hits your abomination for 26 damage.
[04:39:14] The abomination casts a spell!
[04:39:14] You hit Dorr for 209 (-56) damage!
[04:39:14] You critical hit for an additional 66 damage!
[04:39:14] You steal 203 hit points.
[04:39:15] You command the abomination to kill your target!
[04:39:17] The hoary worm hits your abomination for 114 damage.
[04:39:17] Your pet hits hoary worm for 106 extra damage!
[04:39:17] Kontessa hits your abomination for 108 damage.
[04:39:17] Your pet is hit by Kontessa for 33 extra damage!
[04:39:17] The abomination dies!
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Talanara1
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The damage shield isn't supposed to work versus player archers. It works versus mob archers. This is by design.
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where did you find that it is by design that it does not work on player archers, if so why does every other type of proc hurt a player archer??
you tell me where you find the proof either in a grab bag or the herald archives.
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CrunchyGremlin
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Date Posted:
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He doesnt know what he is talking about which as far as DAOC is concerned... Is completely understandable.
The DS does affect player archers it just doesnt vs some archers. I suspect it is the bow type used.
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and I also think that they can be so far away that it does not report to you, like when you kill a mob and it says it drops coin but when you get to the bag there is other dropped loot there.
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10/25/05 8:59am
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In this case though the archer is very close.
Like i said, when the pbae went off the archer was just out of range
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As far as I know, damage shields reflect *melee* damage.
Bows do not do melee damage, they are a ranged physical weapon.
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Damage shields work versus archer NPC's. In fact, it's one very popular way to kill Karise when doing Braggarts Bow with a necromancer. However, damage shields can't work versus player archers simply because it would make them basically useless. The damage interrupts their next shot, so an archer would be hard pressed to get more than one or two shots off anyone with a damage shield up. It's a balance issue.
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CrunchyGremlin
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Date Posted:
10/28/05 1:54pm
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Kriminey. DS DOES affect player archers. it just doesnt affect some of them.
Maybe the volley somehow prevents the DS from damaging them i dont know.
There is no doubt in my experience that DS does damage player archers.
Speak not of balance or logic. All of that is irrelevant. Honestly if you are talking balance then you have to first admit that damage shields, especially the necro damage shield, is on the bad end of the balancing act in RvR. The 22 DPS damage shield will do about 1/2 - 1/3 of the damage taken. Which as one of the main line spells for a death servant specced necro is weak.
in PvE the damage shield does 1 to 2 times the damage taken. DS is horribly unbalanced in RvR and i have no doubt that mythic will not change this.
death servant pbae is weak, DS is weak, LT/PT is weak, insta DD is about all they have going for them and that too is weak as a main offenseive spell.
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Yes, clearly it was silly of me to attempt to bring logic to a discussion on VN. It won't happen again.
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10/28/05 9:25pm
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Didnt Redh say that if the enemy archer was close, but not in melee range, they would be affected by the DS, 
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I play a scout from the beginning of DAOC and DS never ever worked vs players ranged attacks.
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CrunchyGremlin
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10/31/05 10:50pm
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sigh. ok ill get some logs.
the issue isnt with DS affecting archers as it does. the issue is with it not.
check the wording on DA's. by description it should not affect archers either.
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hmm.. i wonder if elemental weapons could come into play with the damage shields and stuff.. since they technically dont do melee damage, but magic damage, does the damage shield reflect that damage done? o.O
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"Damage shields work versus archer NPC's. In fact, it's one very popular way to kill Karise when doing Braggarts Bow with a necromancer. However, damage shields can't work versus player archers simply because it would make them basically useless. The damage interrupts their next shot, so an archer would be hard pressed to get more than one or two shots off anyone with a damage shield up. It's a balance issue."
A balance issue? You gotta be kidding. You're right, all those necros crawling over the Frontiers clogging up RvR. Someone missed the memo about archers not being able to solo every class from range.
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Balance issue for damage shields in general. Lots of casters get damage shields in their spell lists, they're realm castable so anyone can cast one on someone else, and everyone in the world can grab shard skin potions. And they most certainly would if damage shields hurt and interrupted archers.
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