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maszaan
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abom hit points
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maszaan
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ok i just tested to see wether or not HP gained from Champion quest went to abom.how ever this was my first real attempt to check to see how may HP the Abom actually had.
what i came up was that my hp added up to more than what i had on my screen,
with 1492 hp on screen after a duel thay added up to like 2209 or somehwere close
[14:25:49] Roddejr hits your abomination for 140 damage.
[14:25:49] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:25:51] You command the abomination to disengage from combat!
[14:25:53] Roddejr hits your abomination for 81 damage.
[14:25:56] Roddejr hits your abomination for 131 damage.
[14:25:56] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:25:59] Roddejr hits your abomination for 223 damage.
[14:26:02] Roddejr hits your abomination for 130 damage.
[14:26:02] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:26:06] Roddejr hits your abomination for 139 damage.
[14:26:06] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:26:09] Roddejr hits your abomination for 139 damage.
[14:26:09] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:26:12] Roddejr hits your abomination for 109 damage.
[14:26:12] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:26:16] Roddejr hits your abomination for 136 damage.
[14:26:19] Roddejr hits your abomination for 130 damage.
[14:26:19] Roddejr hits your abomination for 124 damage.
[14:26:22] The abomination dies!
there is the log ,
i know this adds into it so ill post this
my total resistance was 15% <crush and spirit together, just summoning suit>
AF is 268
absorbtion = zero
constitution=161
not sure what all plays a factor
why does it add up to 2226 and not the 1492 hp that my in game box shows?
no buffs and i was duelin a reaver if that matters
ty in advance
skulli
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Redh_armor
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Date Posted:
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Maszaan, your abomination's hit points are different from your hit points.
You have not given us enough information to give you a full explanation.
What affects your abomination's HP
.. Abomination level
.. +con on gear when you begin summoning
.. +hits on gear when you begin summoning
.. Toughness RA level
^^Let us know those values
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maszaan
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Date Posted:
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ok thought it was a given sorry
+hp is caped 1295 w/o toughness 3 and the 50 from champ quest
+con is capped 161
so with summoning suit it is
1492 hp
161 con
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maszaan
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Date Posted:
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Date Posted:
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Err..I think you misunderstood what Redh is asking for 
Your hitpoints on the shade is irrelevant to the hitpoints on the abomination, so the number you see on your character screen is meaningless.
The information we need is :
How much +con? you said +161? Which means it's +75(which is the cap btw) unless you have +26 con cap, which would put you @+101.
What is your +hitpoints? The cap is +200, and you can add +200 hitpoint cap, to make it a total of +400hitpoints.
So...summoning wise, you can have this :
+101 con
+26 con cap
+400 hitpoints
+200 con cap
And then, if you have any toughness that adds to your pet's hitpoints also. These are the only things that I know of that affects the pets hitpoints, and is the info that Redh is asking for
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maszaan
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Date Posted:
10/25/05 6:26pm
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ohh im sorry
ok
+101 con
+26 con cap
+400 hitpoints
+200 con cap
that is what i have +toughness 4 and now im cl5 so i sit at 1512 .
i guess what im tryin to do is see if CL HP xfers to pet and why my HP's didnt add up
ty all
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OK Maszaan,
Item bonuses
+101 con
+26 con cap
+400 hitpoints
+200 con cap
Other bonuses
toughness 4
Apparent abomination HP = 2229
Expected abomination HP
From old testing it appears that necro servants
1) have about 30 HP/level.
2) get about 3 HP/point of constitution
1320 = base HP for a level 44 abomination
+303 = bonus for having +101 constitution
+400 = bonus for having +400 HP
+250 = bonus for having Toughness 4 RA
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2273 = expected HP for your abomination
==> All is good.
Note:
1. The damage done by the kill-shot is not always reported. You can see that death is reported 3 seconds after the last damage.
2. Roddejr was doing about 120 per attack. That means that the kill-shot might have been 1 to 120 HP. The actual HP would therefore be 2230 to 2349. The expected HP of 2273 falls nicely withing that range.
3. Next time you do this type of test, try to switch to a lower damage weapon or spell when you get near death.
Hope that helps.
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Date Posted:
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Dang, Redh is awesome  What you can try maszaan, is take Redh's suggestion and a lower lvl weapon to do less dmg/swing, so you can get a more accurate picture of your hitpoints.
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maszaan
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Date Posted:
10/26/05 10:28am
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so what this proves to me is -
1. the in game HP is not accurate toi what the abom actually has.
2. clears up why DI2 didnt fill his life when he is low.
what im still unclear of is wether or not the Champ level HP does xfer to abom.
i was told since HP and Con only xfers from items and base stats.but my logic is since this is my new base stats then it should xfer.
am i correct in thinking this ? or do you know wether or not the HP does Xfer since my HP test doenst help at all in this equation.
great info btw ty
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Date Posted:
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I don't think that anyone's actually tested this yet, but I would be highly surprised if CL hitpoints transferred to the pet. Base stats *do not* transfer. The only thing that does is +con and +hp items. It would be pretty cool of Mythic if CL hitpoints transferred, but they probably don't
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Date Posted:
10/26/05 1:47pm
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1. the in game HP is not accurate toi what the abom actually has.
^^That's right. The HP displayed is for the necro, not the servant.
2. clears up why DI2 didnt fill his life when he is low.
^^Yes, a player with top-notch gear can have servant HP above 2000.
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Date Posted:
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Actually, if you want to get a semi-accurate picture, get one of the UI's that tells you hitpoints % instead, when your pet is @50%, use DI and see how much the pet is healed for, double that and that is probably a good ball park figure for your pet's hitpoints.
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I usually just get my pet's HP low and then hit him with a spec heal and watch how many % your abom's HP go up.
Then you do <Spec Heal Ammount> * <100> / < % HP Increase >
For example, I get my pet low, hit him with a spec heal that does 235 HP and my pet's HP goes up 11%
235 * 100 = 23,500
23,500 / 11 = 2136 HP
If you repeat that 3 times to factor out any pet hp regen you should get a pretty accurate picture of your pet's HP
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I did some pretty extensive testing over on the DR boards to figure out how the champion levels contribute to your character's extra power & hit points.
From what I found, each CL gives you 2% bonus to the number of hit points your character gets from constitution. It also seems that CL's give 2% extra power per CL (though I haven't tested this nearly as thoroughly, my original tests were just for HP's.)
You can figure out how many extra CL hit points you get by subtracting off all your +hits from items, and all your +hits from toughness, and then multiplying by that result by (.02 * CL). For example, I have 1540 hits on my necro, but 400 are from hits items & 250 from toughness. The remaining 890 of my hits count towards the CL bonus, so when Kegnor hits CL5 he'll get +89 more from it.
I haven't done any testing on the bom yet to see if that extra 10% transfers. It's also possible that the bom's hit points gain from constitution scales differently than the shade, so it could potentially gain more than 89 if the bonus does transfer.
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Date Posted:
10/27/05 11:16pm
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OK so this was posted....
From old testing it appears that necro servants
1) have about 30 HP/level.
2) get about 3 HP/point of constitution
1320 = base HP for a level 44 abomination
+303 = bonus for having +101 constitution
+400 = bonus for having +400 HP
+250 = bonus for having Toughness 4 RA
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2273 = expected HP for your abomination
Am I right in thinking that is with a very nice summon suit?
If so then my question is, Is this all before you buff the pet and if so with +25 to buff bonus what does the hit points equal then? I am still new the the servent line and am puting together a summon and fight suit so I would like to know the total hit points a necro has fully capped and buffed after swaping to a fight suit. Do we know what this figure is? And by the way my bot is only 40 enhance.
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Date Posted:
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^^Yes, that is a capped summoning suit.
+101 con and +400 hits is the max you can get.
Buffs do not affect servant HP.
When players get con or str/con buffs it increases their HP.
It does not do that for mobs or pets of any kind, including our servants.
On mobs/pets con buffing increases the melee damage absorption.
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