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Redh_armor
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The Grab Bag Rides Again
Posted By: Sanya Thomas 2005-06-03 19:25:47
Your friend is not quite accurate. As Code Ed tells me, "The issue is that necro pets do not, by themselves, have dexterity. So, their dexterity is determined by adding up all their buffs and then adding in the necro's dexterity item bonuses. So, the dexterity that is 'missing' is the necro's base dex (or rather, the necro's base dex that was over 50, since dex under 50 doesn't count toward the bonus). Or, he needs to buff his pet."
We have suspected this for some time since it would explain the very slow unbuffed casting speed of our abomination. With 0 dex the 3.0 second delve spells should take 3.36s to cast. Most testers have reported around 3.4s, so this fits well.
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I guess it could be worse, they could have failed to give us hit points instead.
No dex makes Kegnor a saaaad panda. 
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Im glad they answered that. Now if only they could answer a few other questions. 
"So, the dexterity that is 'missing' is the necro's base dex (or rather, the necro's base dex that was over 50, since dex under 50 doesn't count toward the bonus)."
So, if this is right, you either have to have 50 dex off items, or 50 dex off buffs, before the servant starts to get bonus to casting speed. Not to mention missing the added dex from leveling.
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"We have suspected this for some time"
redh, i know you've been concerned about this issue for some time and have undoubtedly raised this with them before. is there any reason why they couldn't have told you this long ago? why do they decide to answer this relatively (compared to some of our other questions at least) trivial question now in a grab bag rather than giving you, the TL, the answer months ago?
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Okay, this is it Redh, seriously, the Aboms weapon, and no base dex slow our asses down! I am gonna send feedback everyday till they adjust this so that we areant unbearbally slow, wth, the servant is our combat form, this really infuriates me!
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Of all the things that bug me about necroes, cast speed is one of the lesser ones I guess.
If I could get anything fixed, I'd pick (in order of importance):
1) Passive pet still melees when casting spells.
2) Losing pet when boating.
3) Losing the timer on a queued FP/RA even when it fails, or is overwritten.
4) Losing power even when a queued spell fails, or is overwritten.
5) Pet still takes 100% criticals like a mob.
6) Pet casting speed is slow because our pet has zero dex. 
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I can just see the Next Grab bag,
Q: Why do Necromancer Servants have no base dex?
A: Well, I went to the lead designer of the class and he had this to say, "Working as intended."
Wow, Harsh, well, there you have it, thank-you for playing Dark Age of Camelot. Now onto v1.76!
Thats okay, D&D online comes out in november!
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You know what Redh_armor? I wonder if the 0 dex isn't with all summoned pets in the game.
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too bad our's isnt a "pet" really since we cant do jack without it other than hand out free RPs.
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Luryn, we had deduced the 0 dex condition for the necros servants thru casting time tests with various dexterity values for characters and servants.
I suspect that all 'mobs' have 0 dex.
The issue for the class is why we essentially have a 50 or 60 dexterity penalty vs other casting classes.
Look at the extreme measure that non-necros take to get +25 dex cap, or dex bonus from aug dex.
This is clearly a vital stat for casters.
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I am too mad at this, this is too wrong, even for Mythic, they have to fix this in the next patch, even 25 Dex would help getting 3FP cast, 50 would prolly be ideal. But Anything would help...
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I've been away from the necro boards pretty much ever since i deleted mine and rerolled him
But i had a lot of fun leveling mine back then and to take it in the BG. (First char i ever capped in Thid and Cale)
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So, the dexterity that is 'missing' is the necro's base dex (or rather, the necro's base dex that was over 50, since dex under 50 doesn't count toward the bonus).
Does this mean that putting starting stats into dex is a waste, since the necro's base dex doesn't affect the pet whatsoever? Or is dex still important for the part of the spells that shades cast? (Are there any spells I use that I really need my shade to be super-quick in casting?)
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Not really. Putting starting points into dex is useless for the pet, but not useless for the shade.
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Any points put into anything but Intelligence @ creation is really just a waste at this point in time.
Dex => Effects Shade-cast spells only
Const => Effects HP when not in shade-form
Quick => Effects swing-speed of your Inconnu Friar when the abomination leaves you @ 9% fighting a fg of Hibbies
The only other useful stat to put points into is Strength. So that you can lug around more equipment as you're out farming, since that's what Necros have been relegated to do.
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wewts!! My 10 dex at creation makes my shade cast that HoT sooo much faster - I'm uber! 
However, before we complain too much about this, remember that necro pets have no buff cap. Which means red dex and red dx/qui really works in our favor.
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