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Orathorn
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Date Posted:
12/4/04 11:15pm
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abs bomber recast bug?
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Not a big thing for most people I guess, but this sort of thing annoys me a great deal.
It seems like the 10 minute duration abs bombers will only land if the target does not have that effect at all. IE: I go to cast it on my bot, who has it already, but it only has about 30 seconds left until it runs out, and the bomber will just follow my bot around until it times out. However, if I cancel the buff that already exists on my bot, the bomber will then land and give it back (assume it hasn't timed out yet).
The problem:
My War Harbinger generally has a full contingent of Druid buffs, so it fills up the pet window buff section. If I have a 10 minute abs buff on him:
1) I cannot tell whether or not it's up
2) I cannot tell how much time is left on it
3) I cannot refresh it (unless I recast the pet)
I really don't think I should be required to recast my main pet every time I want to re-cast an abs bomber on him.
Most regular timed spells can generally be overwritten at any point by the same spell. This makes sense: if it's the same spell, overwriting just resets the timer, and nothing is lost.
So what's the deal? If I don't want to recast my main pet, why am I forced to wait until the buff drops to recast it?
This really sucks because the mobs i'm pulling are tough, and take every advantage I can give myself. They also take about 2.5 minutes per pull. What does this mean? Well if there's about 2 minutes left on the buff then I have to wait 2:00 doing nothing, recast it, then pull. (I know how much time is left because I simultaneously cast it on my bot, so I can moniter how much time is left before it runs out)
I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I thought I would bring it up for the Team Lead to think about.
Peace
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Malliliran
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12/5/04 4:17am
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RE: abs bomber recast bug?
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ummmmm,
cast the abs buff on your bot right after you cast it on your main pet ... when it wears off on druid cast it on your main pet. Its really not a huge deal. If you dont like doing that, when you think its close just cast the bomber, and let it sit there and rebuff your main shroom when the effect wears off, also not a big deal.
Honestly if you are fighting really tough mobs and you need every advantage you can get you shouldnt be using the 10 minute abs buff anyway you should be using the 15 second buff with more than twice the abs.
abs .. nuke ... nuke ... nuke ... abs ... etc
also not that hard.
I apologize if Im comming off alittle harsh, its very early / late and Im very tired.
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Orathorn
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Date Posted:
12/6/04 10:17am
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RE: abs bomber recast bug?
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I would be using the 15s abs, but i'm running 2 accounts and my focus during the pulls is on my druid: keeping the main pet healed, keeping fop up, rooting the mobs as they approach to give the main pet a better chance to land a taunt, running away if they baf 4, etc.
And I agree it's not a big deal, the worst I get out of it is pulling once every 5 times or so without any abs buff up. Not a big deal. The thing is the problem is stupid, and I don't see why it's a problem at all, given that every other timed spell of that sort (self af, self abs, self bt, crack, hot, dot, damage shield) works on one set of rules, and this is the only spell that doesn't...
Why do we have to deal with this?
Oh, and just casting the bomber and letting it hit whenever it runs out doesn't really work, because the bomber will time out after like 10 seconds if it can't land.
I realize my problem is pretty unique, given my long duration pulls and control problems (running 2 accounts on one computer), but the point is that this problem seems to be caused by an inconsistancy in one of the spells, so that it works a way that it (seems) like it's not supposed to, that's why I bring it up.
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Rena_Lanford
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Date Posted:
12/6/04 11:36am
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RE: abs bomber recast bug?
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OK, assuming that this is a changeable feature, changing it would mean that you couldnt queue up the BT bombers -- would the minor annoyance of buffing the pet (or having your realmmates cancel their buff to rebuff them) outweigh the BT queueing?
also, I believe (you'd have to check, my verd ani is erm, busy for a while) that if you cast the high level abs buff, it will write over the long duration one, thus allowing the longest you should have to wait to be the duration of the short term high abs buff (which, since bombers last 20 seconds, you can cast the long term and queue it up about the time the mobs are going to get in range)
I believe its with pet AI, pets wont cast unless the target doesnt already have the effect (see the chanter pets that cast the health regen, they will only attempt to cast if the buff isnt on you) to prevent them from getting stuck in a buff loop - the abs and BT bombers are 'buffing pets' so they are bound by the same code - thats why i said, assuming its something that can be easily changed.
If the community feels that losing the ability to queue the BT bombers would be worth the change to the Abs buff being able to overwrite a similar delve abs buff, I can put it in the report - both the bombers will ultimately behave the same way (well all 3) so you gotta keep that in mind when changing them
NOTE: this has nothing to do with the order of senority with the 2 abs buffs (and the 25% one stripping off the low one) - thats a different issue that Im not talking about here (neither was the threadstarter)
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Orathorn
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Date Posted:
12/7/04 9:50pm
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Are we supposed to be able to queue up bt bombers?
Every time I use them they pop whether the target has it or not, it'll just get resisted when the target has it. That's another annoyance, the fact that if I cast that bomber faster than the attacking mob attacks, I lose at least 1 bomber's worth of mana per hit. Not to mention the casting time.
I'll be honest I haven't payed much attention to that particular nuance of the spell, the times that I use it are so few and far between...
I understand what you're saying tho, if a bomber is classed in with the FnF buff turrets that would cause the rebuff problem, but it seems to me like they should really be a class of their own.
Oh, and to the best of my knowledge the 15s abs bomber does NOT overwrite the 10m bomber. It works the same way as casting a 10m bomber on a target that still has their 10m bomber buff up, it'll just chase them around until it times out.
Another interesting note: 15s bombers overwrite each other. Funny huh? Seems like mythic actually has the code built in to deal with turret/bomber-overwrite AND turret/bomber-no-overwrite spells, if you're right and they group bombers and turrets together.
I would assume debuff turrets fall under the turret/bomber-overwrite category as well, but I haven't used them much so i'm not really sure.
Which reminds me of another issue I have, the fact that you have to choose between your 10m abs and 15s abs... It would sure make sense to me if your 10m remained (not stacked, just remained) through 15s abs casts, wouldn't make us severely more powerful, would just make that a different choice in certain battles: always have your 10m up, and if you get aggro and weren't expecting it, or you get too much aggro and need to give your healers some time, then start casting your 15s intermittantly between pbae's instead of just pbae, or maybe drop pbae and do only abs to reduce aggro, throw down some pbae debuff shrooms instead. And if you run out of mana mid-stream, no big deal, when the 15s runs out, there's your 10m buff still there with like 3m left on it or whatever.
I'm not suggesting make them stack, that would be too much, just 'remain'.
Same problem I think mythic has with speed spells, but lord knows that problem's never been taken care of...
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KidCharlemagne
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Date Posted:
12/21/04 1:19pm
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RE: abs bomber recast bug?
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Annoying issue, yes.
There is an alternative for using the "hung" bomber, however...try using it to cast a PB through. As a yellow-con pet, you get a little more damage through it than PB-ing through your controlled, if I remember correctly. Not time-efficient, but at least gives a little use to an otherwise wasted spell.
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Date Posted:
12/23/04 9:14am
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It is annoying but you can easily get around it by casting the 15 sec ABS (overwrites long duration) then immediately follow up with the long duration (overwrites short duration).
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