I have been trying to compare the damage output attributable to these two RA's. Unfortunately, I am missing a fair amount of data and if anyone can fill in the missing info with HARD data it would help us all a great deal.

1. What is the base chance to critical hit?
2. What factors affect damage variance on a critical hit?
3. PvP critical cap is 50% - right? Is there a minimum?
4. Is everyone happy with Spydor's DW/CD formula to calculate chance to double swing?

4. What does Lifebane tick *really* for with Viper3 in PvP, assuming 26% resists?

Should be interesting...

1- 10%

2- Random number generator... nothing effects crit chances except MoP and Berserk

3- Crit damage for us is 1-50%. Berserkers get 1-99%

4- I'm a SB. I'm not happy with LA but that's another issue

5- 64(delve) x 1.25 (magic factor, not sure what it's there for)x 2 (Viper 3
is 100% damage increase) x .74 (26% resists) = 118/tic

Note that castable resists, body debuffs, and relics will all effect the damage.

I asked an Infiltrator on the VN boards because he had Viper 3, I believe he said it ticked around 140-170 on average.

Interesting.

That is exactly the number I was hit per tick this evening by Viper3/Lifebane. I assume anything greater than this therefore reflects lower than 26% Body resist.

I acknowledge the point regarding relics etc - but those lie outside the terms of reference I have set.

Next assumption I think I will have to make relates to damage variance on crit hits. I knew the *range* was 1-50% of base hit - didn't know if the distribution of values within this range was binomial, skewed or flat (RNG). If it is binomial or flat, we can state that a crit hit will add 25% of base damage on average.

Crit damage ranges 10% to 50%-minus-1-point on PvP crits, and 10% to 100%-minus-1-point on PvE crits. Typically then you can figure a crit on a player averaging out to be 30% more damage. With MoP 5 you can expect to crit 49% of the time, resulting in about 15% increase in overall PvP damage output. Doesn't sound like much, but at least it's damage your opponent cant purge, and with a high crit%, you can expect really impressive PA combos with regularity.

I have seen two different dual wield formulas. The one on Spydor's site is 25% + (modified spec * 0.68)%. The other one is one that a guy keeps throwing all over the place on VNboards, but I tend not to trust him because he won't back up his claims with anything and tends to be one of the bigger jackasses there. Regardless, his formula is 25%+ (your level * .25)% + (modified spec * 0.5). I am pretty sure the formula on Spydor's is correct but I haven't done any testing myself.

The 1.25% magic factor comes from your effective level of envenom vs the level of the poison iirc. If your effective level is 100% of the level of the spell/poison, you'll hit for 100-125% of the damage potential of the spell/poison. It's not an issue for us, we'll always be at 100% plus because we can't use the poison if our spec level isn't 100% or greater.

This really only comes into play with baseline spells for casters when the game compares the spec level of the player vs the level of the spell. A good example is buff spells. A buffbot will buff for 125% of delve on a baseline buff (str, con, dex, etc.) if they're specced high in augmentation, but a cave shammy will more likely buff the same baseline for less because their spec level is lower than the effective level of the spell generally.

(4) Toughness 250%
(4) Mastery of Pain 27%
(3) Mastery of Stealth 15%/300
(2) Purge no delay
(3) Viper 100%
(1) Vanish Normal Speed, 1 sec immune
(1)Remedy R5L0 ingest poison, cost 10% HP’s
(1) Tireless Class ability: 1 Endurance regen per tick.


This is what i am shooting for at RR 10L10