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Old 30th August 2004, 03:38 PM
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It's not 600 per group member, but that is the maximum amount it will heal a single person. The total heal potential is something like delve * groupmembers * 1.25 (spec heal) * 1.25 (max TOA bonus)

In this case: 187 * 8 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 2337 hitpoints.
It will heal (for example) 3 people for 600'ish HP, and then some on other people. Or it will heal everyone in the group for ~292 damage if everybody just got AE nuked for 300, etc.

In the latter case you might be better off with a straight groupheal though, depending on your spec.
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Nah, if someone has spread he won't use groupheal, it's simply not worth it
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Nah, if someone has spread he won't use groupheal, it's simply not worth it
Not true, it is in some cases
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Not true, it is in some cases
Healing is a reflex action - i.e. when i see damage on several people i press one button, when i see damage on one person i press another button, when i see lots and fast damage i press the insta variants. I would be a worse healer ( =slower) if i had to think "hmm... grpheal or spreadheal here... let me think..." Therefore i have only spreadheal, singletargetheal and instas on qbars since those are the heals that are most often used.

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Healing is a reflex action - i.e. when i see damage on several people i press one button, when i see damage on one person i press another button, when i see lots and fast damage i press the insta variants. I would be a worse healer ( =slower) if i had to think "hmm... grpheal or spreadheal here... let me think..." Therefore i have only spreadheal, singletargetheal and instas on qbars since those are the heals that are most often used.

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Each and every healer I play with does the same, and I highly agree you just can't stop to think even for a second.
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Healing is a reflex action - i.e. when i see damage on several people i press one button, when i see damage on one person i press another button, when i see lots and fast damage i press the insta variants. I would be a worse healer ( =slower) if i had to think "hmm... grpheal or spreadheal here... let me think..." Therefore i have only spreadheal, singletargetheal and instas on qbars since those are the heals that are most often used.

yeh :E would be funny tho

hmm caster m8 is losing hp let me see, oh warrior m8 too. Lets see ok to spreadheal or would be better to use grp-heal [2seconds later] damn 5% hp they are wont have time for regular heal, should use insta... doh he died... oh well PR or rezz now? lets see...

funny for once, idiot for the second time though : )
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Healing is a reflex action - i.e. when i see damage on several people i press one button, when i see damage on one person i press another button, when i see lots and fast damage i press the insta variants. I would be a worse healer ( =slower) if i had to think "hmm... grpheal or spreadheal here... let me think..." Therefore i have only spreadheal, singletargetheal and instas on qbars since those are the heals that are most often used.
It's not like it's a hard decision to make, I can make it without any problems without taking any extra time.

Mind you that with my current spec I almost never use the groupheal, I just decide between single target, spreadheal 1 and spreadheal 2.
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hmm caster m8 is losing hp let me see, oh warrior m8 too. Lets see ok to spreadheal or would be better to use grp-heal [2seconds later] damn 5% hp they are wont have time for regular heal, should use insta... doh he died... oh well PR or rezz now? lets see...
funny for once, idiot for the second time though : )
Maybe you guys are that slow, but I ain't. Like Fana said, it's mostly automatic pilot without much concious thought. But when I was tri-spec healer I would just hit the groupheal if the entire group got AE nuked, because it was invariably better than spreadheal. More healing and less mana usage.
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I used the same setup when i played healer aswell, spread singletarget & instas, later i dumped the singletarget tho, might sound a tad noobish but when you look at powercosts there really is no reasons to not use spread instead, except maybe faster casting but... spread isnt exactly slow casting in ToA gear anyways.
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I used the same setup when i played healer aswell, spread singletarget & instas, later i dumped the singletarget tho, might sound a tad noobish but when you look at powercosts there really is no reasons to not use spread instead, except maybe faster casting but... spread isnt exactly slow casting in ToA gear anyways.

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Maybe you guys are that slow, but I ain't. Like Fana said, it's mostly automatic pilot without much concious thought. But when I was tri-spec healer I would just hit the groupheal if the entire group got AE nuked, because it was invariably better than spreadheal. More healing and less mana usage.
I think it boils down to what role you have in the grp. If your the main healer then I guess you've got enough time to sort out using spreadheal or grpheal -you have less things to concentrate on. I'm ususally the driver when I'm playing my healer, thus I'm the main CC/interrupter as well. For me in between Driving/CC/Interupt/Zephyr/DeMezz etc, using spreadheals is faster. Then again if there is time, but usually there is not, I'll throw in the occational grp-heal.
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Maybe you guys are that slow, but I ain't. Like Fana said, it's mostly automatic pilot without much concious thought. But when I was tri-spec healer I would just hit the groupheal if the entire group got AE nuked, because it was invariably better than spreadheal. More healing and less mana usage.
This is an insult towards most healers who desire spreadheal over the groupheal, I hope you know that.

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39 mend here btw ..

lvl 30 spread does 580-ish per person .. 79 power
lvl 39 spread 740-ish for 90 power
lvl 36 grpheal 345 for 82 power
lvl 26 grpheal 254 for 66 power

baseline grpheal 145 for 25 power ^^


I dunno what kind of lowbie ae you're healing there, or how did you manage to stand all together to get hit at all..
If you are talking about some ML bombs then does it even matter if you use 3% more power while passing it.. if you are attacking roomcampers then you'd better have a fop set up anyway..

Normally there is no ae at all worth healing aside from pbaoe in room or well anykind of pbaoe and that case spread is still better ^^
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I have a groupheal button?? Where?

Havnt even put it on a QB since I specced to 30 mend. Qbar1=

1) Speadheal
2) Minor heal (less agro chance etc)
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4-8 single/ae mezz n heal
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10) Haste debuff (insta interupt)

Thats my "standard QB, the top 3 are on 3 QBars, 2nd is for all instas and panic mode, 3rd I call my PvE bar. I have never used groupheal, in both PvE and RvR is normal that from the time I start casting to the hit, more players in my group have been hit, so spreadheal covers more mishaps than anything else. Safer than sorry IMO.
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Maybe you guys are that slow, but I ain't. Like Fana said, it's mostly automatic pilot without much concious thought. But when I was tri-spec healer I would just hit the groupheal if the entire group got AE nuked, because it was invariably better than spreadheal. More healing and less mana usage.
true, grpheal rox if your grp is AE-doted by sum lvl 38 stlong matter cabalist or everyone standing on top of each other and 1 AE - DD lands.

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