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Feaniad
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I'm a little puzzled by this.
The zealot casts a damage shield on itself, and I can use the castable, timered damage shield to add to it, no problem.
I cast a zealot, then try to do a mana focus on it and I get "target has this effect". I haven't cast the timered damage shield yet, but it won't take the focus.
I understand not being able to put three damage shields on, but surely I should be able to add the mana focus shield to the pet's self-cast one, no?
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The dmg add the zealot pet cast on himself is of the same type as the focus shield, as u cant overwrite pets self buffs (like compatriot self AF) its not possible to focus shield the zealot pet.
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Doesn't that seem kind of silly? The 'chanter gets a castable damage shield they don't have to spec for, why doesn't the zealot pet have something that isn't redundant like maybe an acuity buff (since it's a caster), or maybe a bladeturn?
Sure the compatriot gets a self AF, but a 'chanter doesn't have a castable AF upon others, so it's not really redundant.
Has that ever been asked about; if this was meant to be a redundant ability?
Not a big deal, I suppose I can work around it, maybe Zealots don't make the best focus shield recipients, but it seems to me if you have an ability which you can cast on your pet, you should be able to cast it on ALL the pets you have, no?
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why would you focus on a zealot anyways?
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Why not?
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they are terrible tanks, and they have crap melee.
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Well, I have a 36 mana chanter and I found a Zealot actually made my overall power cost lower.
Get a mob in plain sight at a good range and stand where only the target mob will suffer pbae damage.
Have zealot nuke the mob and bring it into melee. On the yellows in a TD, I find each nuke hits for about 5-8% of the mob's health.
This is where I'd like to use the focus, but it's not that necessary.
Once the mob hits about 70-75% health, stun and pbae 2-3 times and mob drops. QC if necessary.
Repeat
So, if I could use the focus damage, I'd get to that 70-75% a little faster. I dunno it's something that has been working for me pretty good. Sure it's not pulling 3-4 mobs at a time on a focus pull but at least I can pull from range and not get too much (td's have weird pathing and I always worry about focus pulling and getting too much).
This really isn't the point though. The point is, there's a focus shield you can't use on one particular pet, and the pet's spell is redundant to your own which on it's own merits is kinda crappy IMO.
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there's bigger fish to fry then this. If you're mana you'll probably do even better with a companion pet over the zealot for what you're doing anyways. Pull with heat debuff and your pet should be hitting just as hard as zealot is. Do you want mythic to fix this situational issue or look at issues that pertain to chanters @level 50 where you'll be for most of your career?
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You know as well as I do Mythic is going to fix what they're going to fix regardless of our (as players) feelings are about one problems' weight over another.
If you think by holding back on issues which ARE a problem because they don't necessarily apply to you or aren't that important to you means that Mythic will actually direct resources to those issues, I'm pretty sure you have been disappointed in the past and that isn't going to change.
Additionally, isn't this issue one which pertains to lvl 50 as well? Does the focus damage shield suddenly start working on the zealot at lvl 50?
Last night I tried your companion suggestion. I had 2X the amount of downtime as I did using a zealot. If I could use the damage shield I could have worked even faster. I used more power pots, dumped MCL, etc. far more often than by using the zealot. BTW, I am mana. I have +cap int & dex, Max power pool, 50 focus staff, max skills, mana@lvl-1, rest ench.
I'm perfectly willing to admit this isn't a big deal, but it IS a problem. I guess it's not really worth discussing and getting anyone to call a problem a problem is like pulling teeth, so I'll just let it lie there.
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There is absolutely no reason to use the zealot as your pet. If you want to pull then pull with a low level spell, preferably the debuffs, and just have the pet grab the mob as it comes in if that is the tactic you want to employ. At least the other pets can tank.
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any why a zelot instead of a companion? companions nuke pretty much just as hard, you can focus shield them, they are heat so you can debuff their damage type, and their nuke is a snare nuke so they get more hits on the mob on the way in.
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"Do you want mythic to fix this situational issue or look at issues that pertain to chanters @level 50 where you'll be for most of your career?"
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im lvl 50 chanter with lots of experience. i focus fire island and ml2.10(runi) all the time duo with my ml5 druid. i see no reason at all to use zealot to focus pull, not only is it a poor meleer ive found that after initial nukes zealot sometimes gets stuck in melee mode and wont nuke pull next mob. anyway, i use ally only, when ml9 i might start using compatriot. for now ally is best. not only does it take all druid buffs, it also has pulled aggro off druid with its heals many times on fire island.
if you are a light chanter and are hunting in BGs sometimes zealot is great fun for the debuff it casts along with nuke. or if you are light chanter doing TDs zealot can be great. but for focus pulling??? ally or compatriot are much much better choices.
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