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Old 10th September 2004, 06:13 PM
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Increase your Dex! 7 hour cast sucks!

Anyways...

Cap on castspeed is 40% of delve. Thus a 3s mezz caps at 1.2s. A 2.5s lifetap/pbae caps at 1s, etc, etc. Those claiming they got lower than that are either lying, or seeing lag effects.


[cast-time] = [delve-time]*max(0.4, (1 - (dex - 70)/600)*[ToA]*[MotArt]) --- or close enough.

where:
[ToA] is (1-[ToA%]/100) -- e.g. 0.9 for 10% ToA speed bonus
[MotArt] is (1-[MotArt-level]*3/100) -- e.g. 0.91 for MotArt3

and therefore:

[dex-to-cap] = (1 - (0.4 / ([ToA]*[MotArt])))*600 + 70
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How much dex exactly do you need to cast at cap speed with 10% cast speed bonus?
with 10% ToA and no MotArt, you need:

(1 - (0.4 / (0.9)))*600 + 70 = 403dex

(And 376dex with 10% ToA and MotArt3)


And... The thing you quoted is very, very old, and very, very wrong.
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Old 11th September 2004, 04:03 AM
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I had +25% cast speed within a few days of getting ToA (first night, I got a ROG belt with +10% cast speed before ROGs were nerfed); oh, the sweetness of sub-1-second lifetaps! Give it back to just my Cabalist and I'd be back playing in a heartbeat!
yeah +25% cast speed, mythic must of been tested that one well

Mythic Programer 'So does the +cast speed bounes work ok?'
Tester playing a caster 'YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS'
Mythic Programer 'OK, we can release the expantion now'

5min later

Tester playing a caster 'sorry what did you say, i was busy nuking some tank to death in 2.5secs'
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Old 11th September 2004, 04:19 AM
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yeah +25% cast speed, mythic must of been tested that one well

Mythic Programer 'So does the +cast speed bounes work ok?'
Tester playing a caster 'YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS'
Mythic Programer 'OK, we can release the expantion now'

5min later

Tester playing a caster 'sorry what did you say, i was busy nuking some tank to death in 2.5secs'
yeah.. because I cap cast speed with 10%, so 25% makes what difference exactly?
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afaik the 40% delve thing is from a recent patch..u could nuke faster when there was still 25%? or wut

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you need TOA buf bounes for that right?
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[cast-time] = [delve-time]*max(0.4, (1 - (dex - 70)/600)*[ToA]*[MotArt]) --- or close enough.

where:
[ToA] is (1-[ToA%]/100) -- e.g. 0.9 for 10% ToA speed bonus
[MotArt] is (1-[MotArt-level]*3/100) -- e.g. 0.91 for MotArt3
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Are you sure?

Is it not like this?:

[cast-time] = [delve-time]*max(0.4, (1 - (dex - 60)/600)*[ToA]*[MotArt])
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Hmm would say 50 is the base dex in the formulate but the difference isn't that big.
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so from Pins formula: a luri with 15 dex at creation, 10 % toa castspeed and 26 dex cap, will cap spells castspeed with aug dex 5 in NF: 374 + 30 = 404
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Is it not like this?:

[cast-time] = [delve-time]*max(0.4, (1 - (dex - 60)/600)*[ToA]*[MotArt])
troll shaman casting fungal covering (4.0s delve)

35dex: 72 casts 312secs = 4.33secs/cast
50dex: 54 casts 223secs = 4.13secs/cast
60dex: 106 casts 434secs = 4.09secs/cast
70dex: 96 casts 385secs = 4.01secs/cast


Thus pretty close to 70 dex as the base. Actually, 384secs would be 96 casts at 4s/cast, and I'd be inclined to believe a second of error existed (lag, etc), but not 10secs.
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so from Pins formula: a luri with 15 dex at creation, 10 % toa castspeed and 26 dex cap, will cap spells castspeed with aug dex 5 in NF: 374 + 30 = 404
Aug Dex 5 is 48dex in NF. A Luri with 10 at creation would cap with Aug Dex 4.
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afaik the 40% delve thing is from a recent patch..u could nuke faster when there was still 25%? or wut

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Nope. The 40% delve thing was there all the time, or at least with the release of ToA as it was first measured in 1.66 (it was impossible to reach 40% of delve on any character before ToA).
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The 40% of dvelve has always been there, so yes its the cap, i personally dont know the fomular to measure out the casttime tho.
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troll shaman casting fungal covering (4.0s delve)

35dex: 72 casts 312secs = 4.33secs/cast
50dex: 54 casts 223secs = 4.13secs/cast
60dex: 106 casts 434secs = 4.09secs/cast
70dex: 96 casts 385secs = 4.01secs/cast


Thus pretty close to 70 dex as the base. Actually, 384secs would be 96 casts at 4s/cast, and I'd be inclined to believe a second of error existed (lag, etc), but not 10secs.
That test does looks quite convincing. I figured 50 would be the base as the most basic races usually have that or 60... But great info.
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I casted a lot faster with my prenerf RoT than I do now
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