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Below are the results of my extensive (10,000+ attack rounds) infiltrator tests done on Pendragon between the 1.83x and 1.84a patch notes. I tested 8 of the most common infiltrator specs for both stable combat and burst damage, to find for myself what the most damaging spec for my infiltrator would be. I am sharing these results with everyone to educate, and hopefully spark more independent spec analysis.
This is my data:
Http://www.daocfilemod.com/Inf_test.xls
If you do not have MS Excel, you can use this viewer I downloaded from MS:
http://www.daocfilemod.com/xlviewer.zip
Specs tested (venom/stealth/slash/DW/CS):
35/35/50/35/34 (50 slash with med CS)
35/35/35/42/44 (Hybrid 5-spec)
35/35/36/33/50 (Comp-51 CS aka Wyrd)
34/35/50/1/50 (Critfiltrator)
35/35/44/22/50 (Hybrid Critfiltrator)
34/35/50/50/1 (DW using Mercfiltrator)
34/35/50/50/1 (Slash using Mercfiltrator)
The tests consist of the following:
A 3000+ hit base damage comparison between 36+15 slash and 50+15 slash. I ran this test to see if my results would be consistent with recent tests on the mid rogue board and Kilkenny's, that average unstyled base damage increases with additional spec over 51 composite.
A ~700 hit stable styled damage comparison, to find the highest DPS spec for combat not relying on a stealth opener, and a ~300 hit burst styled damage comparison to find the highest DPS spec when using the best available 3 styles to initiate combat from stealth. I ran these tests to show that the results from test 1 do not seem to influence styled attacks when using CS styles.
Some notes about the spread sheet:
All logs were parsed using Waldo.
“DPS” column is left at 0 because the value is relative to the time between styles, which varied due to my testing procedure of dropping from combat between each styled round.
“Expected DW%” is generated by the formula (effectiveSpec*0.68)+25, where 25 is the base percent chance to swing.
“Actual DW” is the total number of offhand swings divided by total swings.
“DWdmg/Swing” is the average offhand damage per combat round generated by how often the offhand swung, it’s average damage, and how often it missed.
“Avg Total Dmg / Round” is the calculation of average damage taking into account how often the style missed, and adding the DWdmg/Swing. This number is what I will use to determine which spec offers the highest DPS as it does not only take styled damage into consideration, it also looks at how much damage you can expect on average from offhand swings.
I am not going to jump to conclusions and say which spec is best for everyone to use, but I will share some of my observations which I found quite interesting.
Overall, Wyrd spec still seems like the best overall spec for an infiltrator. The average per round damage is higher than any other spec tested.
Offhand swings outright miss ~20% of the time on average, compared to mainhand swings which only missed ~15% of the time unstyled.
The flank chain misses more than any other style tested.
Amy/Diamond slash never missed when tested as a chain, amy slash only missed once in all tests. Additionally, the damage performed by the chain rivals that of garrote>AH. There was no immediate indication as to why this was happening, as the growth rates for the slash chain are below that of the CS chain. I suspect this is due to, in part, the results we’ve been observing with 51+ comp specs (test 1), that when using BASE styles, base damage continues to increase post 51 spec. I plan on testing this more in the future.
Specializing over comp-51 had NO effect on average CS style damage, so the premise of the Wyrd spec remains unchanged.
Our average DW damage per swing looks a lot like the damage SBs like to complain about, between 23-41 damage per round.
Feel free to make your own conclusions, and expect the second round of my tests soon, that will look at the effects of the assassin debuff on comp-51 spec average damage. Given that only 2 of ~34 classes use these debuffs, it's jsut not a big concern for me when choosing a spec, but I know lots of people seem to think our role is bridge camping to kill other stealthers, and those will be the first people to say these tests don't matter because of the debuff... so they'll get their results in time.
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average unstyled base damage increases with additional spec over 51 composite.
and with 2.5 spec points per lvl on the inf,gives them an advantage (hands down) TY!!!!
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Thanks Doc. Confirms what I thought about Wyrd spec still being perfectly valid. Also confirms the validity of my planned spec for the new inf on Igraine.
I remember playing with you on Igraine way back in the day.  Aurra/Taichi
Anyway, good job. Thanks again.
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Amy/Diamond slash never missed when tested as a chain, amy slash only missed once in all tests. Additionally, the damage performed by the chain rivals that of garrote>AH. There was no immediate indication as to why this was happening, as the growth rates for the slash chain are below that of the CS chain.
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i assume you were 50+16 slash when testing this right? using a style within the sword line, going over 51 spec does up its damage, but it wont increase a critical strike style after 51. i had some logs where i tested this, wish i could save you the time, but the damage was a negligble increase, just enough to put 50 spec styles in the range of ga/ah but for an extra cost of groing from 35-50 in spec points, which can prove detrimental at some points.
and btw, best inf spec you can't get till rr11 :P
29+21 env
29+21 stealth
35+21 dual
50+21 crit
30+21 thrust
30+21 slash
gogo 6 spec! the new fotm!
or rr12
28+22 env
28+22 stealth
38+22 dual
50+22 crit
29+22 thrust
29+22 slash
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"average unstyled base damage increases with additional spec over 51 composite.
and with 2.5 spec points per lvl on the inf,gives them an advantage (hands down) TY!!!!"
You have problems reading? There is no proven relationship between the base damage of an unstyled attack and that of a styled attack. So do you fight infs without styling at all? That might explain a few things...
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" i assume you were 50+16 slash when testing this right? using a style within the sword line, going over 51 spec does up its damage, but it wont increase a critical strike style after 51. i had some logs where i tested this, wish i could save you the time, but the damage was a negligble increase, just enough to put 50 spec styles in the range of ga/ah but for an extra cost of groing from 35-50 in spec points, which can prove detrimental at some points. "
Check out the spread sheet, it has the details. My point was that amy>diamond (with 65 slash) damage is nearly identical to that of garrote>AH (65 CS), while growth rates should dictate CS styles are better.
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it affects offhand gomz! hitting for 42 average per round now!
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I haven't opened it up, because I don't have the Microsoft programs to view it, but.. I'm going to lean towards the Hybrid Critfiltrator being the top for susatained dps. I'm giving spiked dps to the critfiltrator. I wonder how close I am for the sustained part:
3) 35/35/50/35/34 (50 slash with med CS)
7) 35/35/35/42/44 (Hybrid 5-spec)
2) 35/35/36/33/50 (Comp-51 CS aka Wyrd)
6) 34/35/50/1/50 (Critfiltrator)
1) 35/35/44/22/50 (Hybrid Critfiltrator)
4) 34/35/50/50/1 (DW using Mercfiltrator)
5) 34/35/50/50/1 (Slash using Mercfiltrator)
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Did the dual shadows data include the bleed? Wouldn't that increase the DPS slightly?
And imo looks like Wyrd is the best still.
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I couldn't count bleed damage (8 per style on infs) because then I'd have to take into effect the style bonuses from other lines (like speed debuffs, snares, ABS debuff, etc).
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you can DL the viewer Viz, it's right there.
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8 dmg? Nvm...that's garbage. I'm used to my merc and 20-30 dmg .
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Wyrd spec would really pull way ahead here when you consider evade 7 + hamstring chain (which almost never misses for me). I hit much more than just 9 or 10% harder after the chain goes off, I seem to hit closer to 20-30% harder.
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awesome data! This is definately a "save" file that I will probably reference for a while.
I do agree with you about debuffs shouldnt really determine someone's spec because there are only 2 other classes in the game that present you with such a situation. BUT!!!! because of the suprisingly similar DPS between composite vs 50slash, 50slash may be the safe route to go just in case you care about debuffs.
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How close the damge is between garrote/ah and amy/diamond bothers me...since obviously according to growth rates, CS should be doing more. My CS styles seem to be doing less than in the past(When the ABS debuff isn't in play)...for some reason I still think that they have something messed up from when they fudged the CS code, and that its just not as painfully obvious as the other problems were.
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