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1 level of peirce = 6 WS
1 level of dex = 1.2
1 level of str = 1.4

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Thx countjackula That was pretty encouraging news.

Btw I didn't notice your response so I took the liberty of editing my previous post while you added yours lol

This is what i added to my post above:

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Kaber stated earlier:

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It ain't that much. Going from 39 to 50 in a weapon spec would result in around 20% increased style damage, which is around 7% increased total damage while swinging.
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Let's say my average style damage does 70 a hit on avarage with 39 blades (this is a bit high against a buffed infil but against a SB I do a lot more).
If what Kaber said is correct I would style for about 75 with 50 blades. THAT does not add up to the loss of damage from the DA. However if I hit a lot more it might add up... bah to many unknowns. Another thing to take into consideration is I'm using the detaunt style more and more... and the style damage % goes way bellow 7% of my total damage when I use that style + the CD evade + back styles gain NOTHING from higher blade spec and neither do the left hand damage except for the higher to hit percentage.
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You just reinforced my intent on dragging some friends over on pendragon to do some testing

I'll do some logs and post them if they show anything interesting.

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Heh weird.

I logged my pendragon chars on real quick to test diff between wpn skill.

The main diff between the 2 chars is one has aug dex 2/aug quick 2 the other does not have aug dex/quick. Both are RR5 and have the same equipment.

Unbuffed
The 39 blade specced had 874/1633 WS/WD
The 50 blade specced had 937/1633 WS/WD

Which yields a WS/lvl skill raise of 63/11 = 5.72 per level for 39->50 blades

Fully buffed:
The 39 blade specced had 1324/1633 WS/WD
The 50 blade specced had 1419/1633 WS/WD

Which yields a WS/lvl skill raise of 95/11 = 8.63 per level for 39->50 blades

WTF?!

I realise the stat's add to WS but it's apparently not linear with your spec.

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My point is, 39 + 12 and 44 + 12 will have very similar damage numbers on each hit... but you will be able to have a HIGHER WS with 39+12 Pierce and High PF than you will with 44+12 Pierce and Low PF. So, your aggregate damage will be a bit higher PLUS your Damage Add will be much more powerful.


This almost made me vomit.

The numbers arent even close.
39+15 Peirce yielded like i said +50-65 on my attacks in melee, on bumblebee sting.
44+15 peirce can almost hit +90 to my attacks, but averages +70-85.

Im gunna run to pend right now, and burn one of my respecs and run both of these through the blender.

Ill get some logs up here.

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Come back Quivna! Didn't he mean unstyled damage? If he did countjackula's post proves his statement... and your's!.

You are both right as far as I can tell hehe.

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Counts post is just awesome, i wish he woulda had more hard data, (which is what im gathering right now :P )

BBS

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OK
This is a little sloppy, but gets the point across.

25peirce, 34, 39, and 44 specs.

The grey mobs around TNN, Squal, and BBS till OOE, then next spec level.

These are the style +'s from the spec levels:
NO SELF BUFFS APPLIED.


25 peirce
BBS
378.7
314.5
359.0
295.0


Squall
332.0
344.7
371.0

34 peirce
BBS
452.7
418.7
433.0
398.5

Squal
345.0
351.2
331.0
389.0

39 peirce
BBS
471.2
408.0
430.0
457.0

Squal
346.3
358.0
400.7
348.0

44 peirce
BBS
445.3
477.7
558.0
528.0

Squal
325.0
355.3
373.4

Of course those numbers wont exist in real RvR, but the %'s should be the same. Also note the higher spec seems less "squirrly" in terms of variance.

I can post logs if anyone wants.

Raife scored 25 respec stones on pend, so we are gunna do a run-down on a a soft person, and see whats up

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Hmm

I just made a very short test mind you and the data ammounts was way to small since there was a huge damage variation between each swing with both specs...

but the results were STILL pretty disappointing:

39 blades style throughput:
Fireblade : 107
Spectrumblade : 123

50 blades style throughput:
Fireblade 119
Spectrumblade 127

Edit my target was my poor druid whos lvl 50 with epic armor and naim was fully buffed with druid buffs.

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This fookin sucks!

Someone tell me what I could have done wrong or someone tell me they have done similar but much more intensive tests that disprove the above data

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Sorry I didn't make any logs. I shoulda been sleeping then and I definitely should be sleeping now . I ran into DF on Pendragon (because hey, we had it!) and did a quick loop. Mostly meleed some green con Necros and Rocots, although I did pull a oj Cambion and a yellow Sarc Scout . All told, it was around 20 fights so hardly scientific. I just wanted to get a feel for high weapon spec with low PF. Both cases of weaponskill were using identical gear and identical stats except for, of course, the buffs from PF. What shocked me was how much more I evaded (vs green I know, but I sometimes go melee those same mobs for fun... bow can get boring after while) and how much higher the style bonus was from a high weapon spec. I am used to playing a fairly balanced Ranger. The only thing unbalanced about her is she is -15 Stealth (base 20) from balanced (35) to get +10 (base 46) from balanced PF(36). In "RL", her currrnt pierce spec is base 34. Against those same green mobs I hit for around 100 mainhand, maybe 120. With the 44 pierce spec playtoy I was able to land DB and DS often (very often) and had hits in the 200+ range. Not every hit broke 200 but 180 wasn't uncommon for a styled attack. Unstyled, her damage wasn't any more impressive than what I am used to with 34 base pierce and 46 PF. But once again, I have never ever seen my toon land styled attacks for that much before. I really never thought +10 weapon spec could make her hit that much harder styled. I'm off to bed (um... 8:30 a.m. here now ...where's my pillow?), but I will check it again. I'll probably check about 100 times before I use any upcoming /respec. Hate to blow a goodie as good as that on something useless. Those are my general observations for now. Gnight.

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Originally posted by countjackula
I have never ever seen my toon land styled attacks for that much before. I really never thought +10 weapon spec could make her hit that much harder styled

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If it was slower attacks causing the bigger hits he would have noticed it on unstyled attacks too. But he says the difference between unstyled's before and after was negligable.

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I always thought that quickness affects the speed of the attacks.

The dps add from the styles, that is applied over the base damage, remain constant over time, thus it's less plus for each hit if you swing faster (or more plus if you swing slower).

But unstyled attacks always hit for the same damage per hit, just faster or slower (like the bow).

But who knows? May be I am wrong.

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Not a clue here...my head is spinning from all the minute choices to make.

I am about to simply decide that 1-2 DPS is not that noticeable in terms of my fights...they seem to last a few to about 10 seconds in melee (no IP here), so 20-40 extra points will rarely make the difference for my play-style.

Still curious to see Quiv's logs parsed, heheh.

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K, did some more tests... as extensive as I could make myself do them... then i put them through the parser made by the Warden TL at http://acm.cse.msu.edu/~penney/

Both test's were done against the same target, my druid lvl 50 with 50 nurture buffs and MOA IV. My ranger was fully buffed in both test's with druid buffs and the test results was pretty disappointing to say the least.
The 50 blade version of naim has aug quick 2 and aug dex 2.

Spec 1:
Blades 39
CD 28

str 305
con 305
dex 345
qui 261
WS 1324
RR5L5

Fire Blade style damage
88.0 Avg Base Dmg
108 uses
90 (83.3%) hits
21.9 Av. style damage
16 (14.8%) missed
1 (1.1%) blocked
1 (1.1%) fumbled

Spec 2:
Blades 50
CD 35

str 304
con 299
dex 357
qui 273
WS 1419
RR5L3

Fire Blade style damage:
88.6 Avg Base Dmg
112 uses
94 (83.9%) hits
24.9 av. style damage
15 (13.4%) missed
3 (2.7%) blocked
0 fumbles

Interesting fact's:

Damage avarage became 3 point's higher (not dps mind you!)
Hits went from 83.3% to 83.9%

What is missing here is the number of extra evades I should have had because of my higher WS.
Also I should note that I very much doubt the higher quickness for my 50 specced ranger had much influence on the test since he has quick >250 and we all know quickness influence diminishes greatly for quick that high.

A really fooked up result was that I went from 63.8% double attacks with 28 CD to 59.6% double attacks with 35 CD. This makes NO sense what so ever.

I had 145 attacks with 50 blades and 87 double attacks (= 59.6%) with 50 blades

And 138 attacks with 39 blades and 88 double attacks (=63.8%)with 39 blades. The conclusion from that may be that my test was still not extensive enough unless something is messed up on pendragon. Especially since the test got heavily influenced by 1 set of attacks when I parsed the log again and had to reedit the above stats.

Btw
I had 83% hits with my offhand with 50 blades/35 CD and
75.9% hits with my offhand with 39 blades/28 CD

Edit: I had switched the stats for the 2 rangers

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