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Lyrre
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Date Posted:
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RE: Mastery of Stealth
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Arent we allowed to group?
It is a morg isnt it?
Atleast that is what I bought :P
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"That test series, involved the archer starting the engagement at a range BEYOND the abilities of MoS and resulted in the majority of the deaths being the archers"
Yes...but here is how it works in NF, actual RvR conditions:
"i've did a test in my clusters i have mos 5 and 45 bow 50 spear and used no ml's abilities but did use IP...
1 was able to crit 50% of the time (10 times). every time i got the crit i also got the kill.
i was able to get a normal shot off 45% of the time (9 times)."
(He died 2X out of 20 encounters with assassins)
http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Rogue_Professions/b20912/89736994/p5
And further:
"After playing my Sniper spec Ranger with MoS 5 for the past few weeks....
I just can't seem to enjoy playing my Nighsthade anymore...
Not being able to avoid stealth zergs is just no fun, because it is not worth speccing MoS 5 on my Nightshade due to it only detecting archers and minstrels. So I guess that is 3 years of time played on my favorite character down the drain...."
http://vnboards.ign.com/Hibernia_Stalker_Professions/b20908/90700298/?0
MoS obviously favors archer classes both offensively and defensively. And with Camo negating any other classes investment in MoS, its time Camo was removed and MoS be reduced in effectiveness, allowing archers to once again have some sort of risk factor in RvR.
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GroDaTroll
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Date Posted:
8/20/05 8:44pm
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and gee, what information did you not provide HK...
"1 was able to crit 50% of the time (10 times). every time i got the crit i also got the kill.
i was able to get a normal shot off 45% of the time (9 times).
20% (4) ran from me. everyone who ran from me died
10% (2) used vanish. everyone who used vanish died
15% (3) ran at me after the first shot. I was only able to kill one. so i died twice
i wasn't able to to get a shot on 5% (1)
he used a charge on me and interupted my bow shot then kicked my a$$ he was at 70% life at the end of that fight "
Now let's take that in context with my commentary on the tests..
"That test series, involved the archer starting the engagement at a range BEYOND the abilities of MoS and resulted in the majority of the deaths being the archers" "
What can we surmise... that IF the 6 that ran had charged instead they might have done considerably better.
Lets see.. MoS 5 + 125, 725 units... 725 units to the archer or 1275 units to clear bow range.
...and what else, 3 charged.. he died to 2 of them.. he won one. Now what he doesn't tell us his what, if any passive RA's he has, RR. Now do we know armor/ra's or anything else about the 'assassins' he fought.
What else did he say...
"after that all i can say is in my clusters assissin feal safe or don't pan much
i can also say there been so many stealth zergs in my clusters that they ran thinking others would join in if they ran to me.
or i can say assissins are playing there class wrong by not doing /face sprint attack ..... because the 20% that choose to fight won more then lost .... think goodness 80% where unaware or choose to sprint the wrong way "
Funny how it kinda of shifts if we look at everything and just not the tidbits you think 'prove' some of your bs claims.. or should I just say it's yet another case of your inability to fully comprehend what you read?
"Yes...but here is how it works in NF, actual RvR conditions: "
btw...this comment is a crock. Guess what, under your 'real' conditions it worked out the same as the test. Here's a suggestion for you, get off your arse and do some real tests instead of just shooting your mouth off and trying to ride the work/effort of other people that you are aparently even incapable of understanding.
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Healerkind
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Date Posted:
8/21/05 7:40pm
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"What can we surmise... that IF the 6 that ran had charged instead they might have done considerably better."
And the 10 that got crit from stealth and were 3 shotted? MoS5 is inherently much more beneficial to a ranged class - this must be obvious even to a troll. Imagine if assassins could PA anyone within a 1500 diameter? This is what archers do all day long with MoS5 (scroll up 2 posts to see the proof).
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GroDaTroll
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Date Posted:
8/21/05 7:56pm
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"And the 10 that got crit from stealth and were 3 shotted?"
Here's one clue HK... Don't challenge someone who's willing to do research.
"<<i was able to get a normal shot off 45% of the time (9 times).
20% (4) ran from me. everyone who ran from me died
10% (2) used vanish. everyone who used vanish died
15% (3) ran at me after the first shot. I was only able to kill one. so i died twice" "
Now if you want me to dig deeper, I can.. I'll admit I might have missed that part... but I don't recall offhand him saying anything about '3 shotting' anyone...and it seems to me he said he got 9 crits off, not 10.
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Healerkind
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Date Posted:
8/21/05 9:05pm
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Yes - you and Dan Rather have a lot in common. Here is the quote from Popshot's post:
"1 was able to crit 50% of the time (10 times). every time i got the crit i also got the kill."
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GroDaTroll
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Date Posted:
8/21/05 9:07pm
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RE: Mastery of Stealth
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oooh... omg. Still don't see anything about 3 shot kills.
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Date Posted:
8/22/05 4:41am
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Not any option worth voting on - so I voted on no change.
Why not just remove MOS and let stealth above 50 count for both speed and detection?
Archers and Assassins shouldn't need to spend rps on this imo.
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Date Posted:
8/26/05 3:35pm
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/bump
For the people that have started sending me personal messages saying I am crazy to suggest limiting MOS detection to level 3.
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Date Posted:
8/26/05 3:53pm
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^Here's a bump for the reading impaired Zealot^.
BTW your 'overwhelming majority' in regards to capping mos... is roughly 106 to 90. That's a difference of 16, not overwhelming' by any means.. particularly in the light of 36748 Stealthers.
That's be 36552 that didn't bother to vote for "whatever" reason. (like not knowing VN exists, etc) :-)
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Date Posted:
8/26/05 5:18pm
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63%
106 to limit it
45 to keep it the same
Clearly, most do not like it the way it is and most want to limit it.
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GroDaTroll
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Date Posted:
8/26/05 8:24pm
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What your doing is called Selective reading Tracy...
108 votes to Cap mos at 3
45 to keep it as is
8 to make it work only when stealthed
8 votes to keep it as is but change camo
45+16= 60, I did aparently get my count wrong. <shrug>
shyte happens I was in a rush... that's 37% that voted on something besides capping mos. 169 votes out of 36k worth of stealthers. A truly tiny sampling at best.
What does it mean, not a whole lot... there's a poll asking wether or not 'stealth' should be deleted. Last check over 50% voted that stealth should go byebye... :-) Do you really think mythic's going to do it too?
Now what was it I told you Tracy... I said that on occasion you make some good solid posts, but more often you come across as a Zealot, a fanatic. Quite often your own posts do more harm than good to you and your 'cause'.
You alienate people that can help the most, like...what was it you said 'that useless team lead'? You really don't know what he may, or may not have done... but because he doesn't kowtow to your whim and whimsy he's "useless".
It doesn't work like that, your rant and raves turn away from the people the want and need to see the issues you want addressed.
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Date Posted:
8/27/05 3:41am
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^^^^^^
Go lecture someone else.
Your objectivity is 0.
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Date Posted:
8/27/05 5:08am
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^^^^^
So is yours. You're not interested in balance your interested in getting your advantage back. If you were slightly concerned with balance it wouldn't be a straight to capped at mos3 for all suggestion. IF it was capped at mos3 for archers it should be even lower for assassins.
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Date Posted:
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Yeah, and getting popped from stealth at range by an mos5 archer, turned into a pincushion and being zephyred away while being unable to fight back at all is balanced. 
Why not just get rid of all passive means of stealth detection. Both archers and assassin will be able to perform their roles. Archers also will still have abilities like rr5 ra's, ip, fz, etc available to them to be able to deal with assassins.
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