Why no Crit on a Crit - Critshot

#1 08-10-2004, 01:50 PM

I was thinking about the Falcon Eye Skill and relized that Archers can't land a crit on a crit shot. I don't understand this at all. Casters bolts (That do more damage then a crit shot) can crit, why can't my Crit Shot?

Alderik · #2 08-10-2004, 02:01 PM

Just Imagine The Whine and the bitching about how over powered we are ... now you know Why ...

Gigglepants · #3 08-10-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Quiver
I was thinking about the Falcon Eye Skill and relized that Archers can't land a crit on a crit shot. I don't understand this at all. Casters bolts (That do more damage then a crit shot) can crit, why can't my Crit Shot?

Caster bolts can't do more damage on comparable armor than a critshot. Also, you're comparing apples and oranges, they don't even have the same damage stat.

Not only that, but you don't have to wait 20 seconds to recast your critshot.

#4 08-10-2004, 02:15 PM

My point is that a normal bolt from a caster will hit me for about 350 +/-. Bolt quick cast bolt takes 700 of my 800 hit points faster then I can draw a crit shot. Add in a little crit damage and I'm dead.

Granted, if I'm running or in combat there is a chance that one of the bolts will miss. But on the other hand if my target is running or in combat a crit shot will not even fire.

So our Crit shot hits for about the same damage as a bolt (at my current level [38 with 38 +6 bow skill]), but takes twice as long to fire, will not fire on a moving target or a target in combat (You can't get a good shot yet), is blocked by BT, can be intercepted, evaded, or blocked and can never do crit damage because it's overpowered.

#5 08-10-2004, 02:18 PM

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Caster bolts can't do more damage on comparable armor than a critshot. Also, you're comparing apples and oranges, they don't even have the same damage stat.

Sorry, Im comming back to the game after being gone a long long time. I have never played a caster. I took a berserker and a skald to 50 way back when and a ranger to 44.

That's why I"m asking

Gigglepants · #6 08-10-2004, 02:52 PM

Well, the answer to your question is simple, really. A critshot does twice the normal damage of a regular shot, the critical cap is 50% of your damage, so with a crit on a crit, you could do 3x your normal damage, concievably.

That's just ludicrous to think of when you consider the fact that most 50 bow spec archers can crit for over 1,000 damage on casters or other low-AF toons. Contrary to what several archers I've heard believe, you should not be able to one-shot any caster you come across.

EDIT: So let's say you're my old 45-bow spec lurikeen ranger (RR8, later respecced to 40 bow), and you critshot a caster for 1,200 damage. If you were to get a max crit on that, you'd hit for 1,800 damage...you just plain shouldn't hit for that much.

Vargur · #7 08-10-2004, 04:16 PM

Quiver, my best advice is to move around especially when you start taking damage either from archers or casters. Standing still will get you killed, moving once the first arrow/spell hits you reduced the chance of getting two shotted. Many archers fire double crit-shots which if they connect will take you far down your health bar. Moving immediately you get hit will if you are lucky force them to change the follow-up to a regular shot.

Also, once you hit 50, make sure you get a good template. A bot might make up for a poor template, but a good template is essential for success. Hell, the bot is a requiremet on most servers nowadays.

#8 08-10-2004, 06:23 PM

Well it all comes down to this..

Archers can deliver their first shot from stealth being undetected (if everything goes as planned) casters are not able to, so I suppose if you measure it from a Risk V. Rewards standpoint, they had to risk running out there to even cast and if they are lucky they get a crit on their cast, i.e. the reward for taking the risk, and then they have the nominal 20second recast timer, we have none besides drawtime. We have it pretty well off... Now only if we can get working on those critshots while targets are incombat and running.... now why dont we get those ?!

#9 08-10-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Gigglepants
Well, the answer to your question is simple, really. A critshot does twice the normal damage of a regular shot, the critical cap is 50% of your damage, so with a crit on a crit, you could do 3x your normal damage, concievably.

Well question then .. if the cap on how much you can critical hit for is 50% of damage dealt can you explain this ?

Tyrfiel · #10 08-10-2004, 07:22 PM

The critical hit cap is different for RvR and PvE.

In PvE it is 100%.

In RvR it is 50%.

Gigglepants · #11 08-10-2004, 07:41 PM

Tyrf to the rescue! I was out on lunch

#12 12-10-2004, 03:05 PM

If I remember correctly Critshot was an initial automatic Crit on a regular shot. Hence the name Critshot.

The reason you can't Crit on a Critshot is because you are already.

#13 12-10-2004, 05:04 PM

Not that I'm saying we should be able to crit on a Crit... but claiming that if we COULD that we would be one-shotting everycaster we come across is BS. Even if we could consistently Crit for 1800 (a tall order) we still have to contend with the myriad of problems in landing a Crit versus a caster with anything from BT/Brittleguard/intercepting pet... Fact is I only consistently land Critshots on other archers... and a few dumb casters who stand still after their BT pops.

And a caster talking about others doing ludicrous damage is also rather funny... Just how much damage can a caster do to me in the time it takes to draw a Crit? Surely not a ludicrous amount...

Anyways... critting on a Crit isn't necessary... reducing some restrictions on using Crit would be more useful.

#14 12-10-2004, 09:29 PM

That kind of follows my line of thought. Granted Im not out there in grown up RvR or anything. But so far in the BGs a caster can and has 2 shoted me with 2 bolts. It happens alot as a matter of fact. So the idea that a crit with up to 50% extra damage being just to overpowered doesn't hold water with me.

Maybe if I could get a crit on a running target or if crits went through the bubble then I could understand not having extra damage.

One more thing... every attack in the game gets a bonus to a sitting target, except critshot.

Gigglepants · #15 12-10-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Quiver
That kind of follows my line of thought. Granted Im not out there in grown up RvR or anything. But so far in the BGs a caster can and has 2 shoted me with 2 bolts. It happens alot as a matter of fact. So the idea that a crit with up to 50% extra damage being just to overpowered doesn't hold water with me.

Maybe if I could get a crit on a running target or if crits went through the bubble then I could understand not having extra damage.

One more thing... every attack in the game gets a bonus to a sitting target, except critshot.

bro if casters are 2-bolting you, you need to get some better gear. Do you have capped resists and capped +AF from ToA items? (it's important to be as done-up as you can, even in the BGs) And do you have a bot you are leveling with you?