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Hilljack
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Chance to hit with both weaps |
07/28/07 8:38 PM |
| Hey i cant remember exactly but back in the day when i use to play merc, i remember a rumor of using the same spd weapons = a better % of both weapons swinging at the same time. And if you used a Slow weapon in main hand and super fast weapon in off hand it would increase the swinging speed somehow. Anyway was hoping if someone could actually tell me if this was a fact or give me some knowledge on how it works. Thankz ;)> |
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Squeekz
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RE: Chance to hit with both weaps |
07/29/07 12:25 AM |
http://daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=Weapon_Speed_Calc |
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doeridid
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RE: Chance to hit with both weaps |
07/29/07 4:18 PM |
Spydor's is good at crunching numbers, but if you don't know what those numbers mean to start with it won't get you very far...
Your chance to double swing raises as a function of your level and of your spec in CD. I think it comes out to something like 67% with a natural 50 CD and no bonuses and can get over 80% with appropriate skill bonuses.
Your weaponskill and base damage with your offhand is the same as your mainhand, and is determined by the composite spec of your mainhand.
Weapon speed has absolutely no impact on the rate of double swings. There are some advantages and disadvantages to having different weapon speeds though...
On a single swing, either weapon can actually swing, and the following delay is that of the weapon that swung. It is exactly 50/50 which weapon will swing.
When both weapons swing, the following delay is the average of the two weapons.
This means that with a very slow mainhand and a very fast offhand, you end up getting 3 different swing intervals. A slow interval for the mainhand single swings, a medium interval for double swings, and a fast interval for offhand single swings. It's not a HUGE deal, but it can make timing strafes and such a bit tricky.
The advantage of weapons with different speeds is what is referred to as the self-haste effect, normally referred to by LA (Mid) users.
When you double swing your weapons, the speed is the average of the two weapons but the style bonus and the endo cost is entirely based on the mainhand weapon's rated speed.
So, if you have a 4.2 mainhand and a 2.8 offhand, you swing like you're wielding 3.0 weapons but gain the style bonus damage of the 4.2.
For LA users, this can be a nice source of extra damage since they double swing every single round.
For CD or DW users, the mechanic still works the same but since they don't double swing each round it is a less consistant contributor.
In the end though, with a buffbot you'll be able to cap or nearly cap even 2 of the slowest weapons useable. This means that a fast offhand is a waste of swing speed and doesn't actually result in an increase in damage.
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saetk
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RE: Chance to hit with both weaps |
08/04/07 11:01 AM |
your level has nothing to do with your chance to swing your offhand. base 25%, .68% for every effective cd. hence, 50 cd +15 from gear and rr5 is a 69.2% chance to swing your offhand.
your explanation of the haste effect was technically accurate, but when you style it forces your mainhand to swing. your offhand should never swing by itself. also, both weapons are calculated separately for cap before they're averaged. this means with 10% combat speed, 17% haste, and 250 qui, you should have a 3.3 spd as the absolute fastest you'll ever use. ------------------------------------- kitsune.rydia.net daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=Weapon_Style_Faq |
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doeridid
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RE: Chance to hit with both weaps |
08/04/07 7:59 PM |
Wrong and wrong.
The "base 25%" that is often referenced is only for a level 50. That "base" is 1/2 of your level. So that at level 24 it is only 12%.
Your mainhand is only guaranteed to swing first on a double swing.
EVERY single swing, whether it be styled or not, has a 50/50 chance to be either weapon.
Don't believe? Equipe 2 distinctly different weapons like a hammer and sword, and log a couple hundred swings with 50% being styled and 50% unstyled.
You'll find that the ratios are the same.
Also, calculating the modified swing speed and then averaging the weapons' or averaging the weapons and then modifying the swing speed results in the same result.
Example:
4spd mainhand; 2spd offhand; 30% total haste effect
Calculate haste first, then average:
4*.7= 2.8; 2*.7= 1.4; (2.8+1.4)/2= 2.1
Calculate average first, then haste:
(4+2)/2=3; 3*.7=2.1
Math FTW
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