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Wuguan
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to the idiots that think this is a bad idea and u should always go side chain after dg:
SOMETIMES THERE STUN IMMUNE/PURGE AND YOU CANT SIDE STYLE THEM WHILE THERE KITING.
that is all
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Or they are in a mezzed clump meaning using your side chain will get you kicked out of your group assuming you are in one already. I also agree with Mat.
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Not once did I mention that you should side-style after DG, there are reasons for not doing so, as posted (twice) above. However, my simple statement is that if the only benefit of moving Conflagration after Damaging Grasp is this, then I don't think it's a worthwhile change.
I'd rather see them work on more important changes to the class than improve what is already a Valewalker strength. If they wanted to move Conflagration to chain off of Taunting Scythe, or improve the hit-rate of Arboreal Shield, that would be better, though I don't think much of that will be happening anytime soon.
But more damage off that back positional isn't going to greatly improve things for Valewalkers. More group utility and more effective defensive abilities would.
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12/23/05 7:43am
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If they moved Conflag after DG, then when conflag lands it will AOE and break any CC. At least if BB does, it can only affect 4 people and DOES decent damage to the target.
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last time i checked conflag isnt an AOE dd
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You are correct I was thinking of FS. My bad......
Not sure on it's usefulness still as a follow up. I'd rather see a frontal position style with an attack speed debuff.
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Although I would like to see CF anywhere than after AS, I don't think DG is the place to put it. Put it behind TS or make it a frontal style.
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"My statement in Slam is that Leviathan often has Slam to go with it, allowing the Reaver to get to the back positional without someone presenting it. The Valewalker doesn't have that tool, so swapping Conflagration to a back positional isn't going to have the effect that Leviathan has."
You don't have much experience rvr'ing on a valewalker. When you do, you'll learn to lagstun just like every other valewalker does.
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conflag would probably be equal or greater dps than the side chain would, and you wouldn't have to worry about breaking mez on clustered ppl either.
with BB you have to get 3 styles off without whiffing (BT/missrate/stun immune target's defenses)but if you moved conflag after DG, both of which have high to hit bonuses then you'd only have to get 2 styles off, and if the target isn't stun immune you could probably get the chain off 2-3 times. less worry about BT or lagtastic not in view messages.
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12/25/05 10:17pm
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Lagging to a side positional still isn't something you can do with regularity against someone who's aware of his situation. Not to mention that, assuming you lag to get off either a DG or SB, you're still not going to be able to spam Conflagration the way a Reaver can spam Leviathan after a Slam, both via weapon speed issues, and the fact that Conflagration would be part of a chain and Leviathan is not.
And that still ignores the original point, why make the Valewalker better at something he already does well enough, and that is deal damage from the back positional?
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