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Anyone done any testing to see where the Valk meassures up WS wise? I remember awhile back someone listed the order of WS on the viking boards I think it was and thanes and wardens were almost identical at the bottum of the weapon speccable classes.
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From what I hear Thanes, Wardens, and Valkyries share the same WS, I'll be able to tell you when I hit 50 since I have a 50 Warden.
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well, from what i can tell, my thane has higher WS then my lvl 50 valk, but that may only be due to rr and stuff like that, yes, its likely pretty close if the valk and thane were the same rr.
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i have 1525WS whit rr2, 340str and 309dex
will have 350str and 333dex whit artis 
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Note-with equal wep stats and wep spec, a Valkyrie will have slightly higher wep skill with spear than sword.
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Unbuffed with 50+14 spear, 215 str, 187 dex (aug Str2, Aug Dex2) I have 1148 Weaponskill, around 1660 fully buffed.
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why would it be higher with spear if valks dont get as much dex as str.
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^^^ They are on different tables for spear/sword. Spear's a bit higher but they will end up roughly the same at 50 since sword has only one stat to base the WS off of.
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334 strength, 314 dex, 1535 weaponskill fully buffed.
I prefer Spear since it's 50/50 str/dex based which means str/con debuffs take less of a bite out of your weaponskill than if you were sword which is 100% strength
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Mathiathon posted on 12/26/04 10:08pm
why would it be higher with spear if valks dont get as much dex as str.
There's a slightly complicated answer to that question, and frankly, I'm not certain I am allowed to spell it out. However, the basic gist of the matter is, each class has a set value per skill gain for a particular weapontype, it's not a flat value. Statements like Thane WS and Skald WS are incomplete, as there's no real set value for Thane WS. If you were talking about Thane Sword WS, then you're more on target... but I digress.
The purpose of this is to help certain classes overcome particular failings in that class. Valkyries are the best, and most striking example of this. Valkyries do not gain Dexterity, thus Spear, if it was calculated normally, should be a terrible weapon choice. However, since Mythic wanted to make Spear not just a fun spec to have, but also viable, they increased the over all value towards weaponskill per point spent. This means that even with the same stats, a Valkyrie with Spear spec will have higher weaponskill than that of a Valkyrie with Sword spec.
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That makes sense.
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"since Mythic wanted to make Spear not just a fun spec to have, but also viable, they increased the over all value towards weaponskill per point spent"
That's not true... spear WS was increased per point way back at the same time Warrior WS was increased. It was originally to make hunters more viable as the supposedly strongest meleeing archer class.
It has nothing to do with offsetting valks. Now... if Valk's dex increased like it does for a Hunter... well then it would be a very strong spec line for them as well.
I'm not disputing your point, but your "why's" are not accurate...
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"Valkyries do not gain Dexterity, "
Actually, they do, it's the tertiary rising stat.
"That's not true... spear WS was increased per point way back at the same time Warrior WS was increased. It was originally to make hunters more viable as the supposedly strongest meleeing archer class."
You missed Rags' point. WS per point is set on a per class basis. Perhaps it was raised for *hunters* back when warrior WS was raised, what Rags was saying is that during beta, spear WS per appliable stat point was raised for *Valkyries*, from what it was when beta started.
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I'm pretty damn sure the WS increase was given to classes and not weapon types, hence why hunters got higher WS with both sword and spear when their WS got boosted and why warriors got higher WS with all their weapons, but the other melee classes didn't
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Besides, Valks are more a utility-class than a fighter-class, and as such the weaponskill is interesting, but nowhere near important.
At least the few Valks I have fought so far didn't seem to have a problem with having no monster-WS, their realmmates could still whack my head off for them 
Valks = utterly devastating mass-interrupters I already hate like Sorcerers ^_^
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