1h vs 2h weapon and shout tests on lvl 5 RR 5 Armsmen

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AurenSirRamAlot	1h vs 2h weapon and shout tests on lvl 5 RR 5 Armsmen	Lead	[-]
Posts: 188 (02/08/03 10:16:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Initial stats and relevant info Pandoria Lvl 50 RR5 Armswoman "My melee resists are..Crush 30%...Thrust 25%...Slash 23%. Most of all mt resists are capped or almost capped my body is at 30%." That includes racial and AoM effects. Here is what i was using MP qual 16.5 dps 2h hammer. 99 qual 16.5 dps 1h hammer. My stats: Troll Skald 220 str 187 con 82 dex 55 quick 192 Charisma RR 5L8 weapon skill 1040 weapon damage 1650 hits 1468 Logs in following post
AurenSirRamAlot	Re: 1h vs 2h weapon and shout tests on lvl 5 RR 5 Armsmen	#1	[-]
Posts: 188 (02/08/03 10:20:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1h hammer log. When i tried to parse this, all i got back was gibberish from my parser, if anyone else wants to take a shot at it please do. [17:48:42] You wield the shimmering arcanium Illbane spiked hammer in your right hand. [17:48:42] You wield the Infernal Protector in your left hand. [17:48:42] Your Heat resistance increased. [17:48:42] Your Body resistance increased. [17:48:42] You attempt to use the Infernal Protector. [17:48:50] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:48:50] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:48:50] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+65) [17:48:50] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 168 (-19) damage! [17:48:57] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:48:57] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+76) [17:48:57] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 172 (-19) damage! [17:48:57] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:48:57] Pandoria is surrounded by an acidic cloud! [17:48:57] You hit Pandoria for 61 damage! [17:49:01] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:49:02] Pandoria is surrounded by an acidic cloud! [17:49:02] You hit Pandoria for 59 damage! [17:49:06] Pandoria is surrounded by an acidic cloud! [17:49:06] You hit Pandoria for 55 damage! [17:49:10] Pandoria is surrounded by an acidic cloud! [17:49:10] You hit Pandoria for 59 damage! [17:49:14] Pandoria is surrounded by an acidic cloud! [17:49:14] You hit Pandoria for 61 damage! [17:49:18] The acidic mist around Pandoria dissipates. [17:49:22] You stand up. [17:49:27] You auto-stick Briton. [17:49:30] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:49:30] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:49:30] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+73) [17:49:30] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 157 (-17) damage! [17:49:30] You critical hit for an additional 64 damage! [17:49:30] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:49:34] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:49:34] You miss! [17:49:38] @@[Guild] Alyhandro: "whats everyone up too?" [17:49:40] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:49:40] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:49:40] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+82) [17:49:40] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 177 (-20) damage! [17:49:40] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:49:41] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:49:43] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:49:43] You perform your Sledgehammer perfectly. (+108) [17:49:43] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 208 (-23) damage! [17:49:48] You auto-stick Briton. [17:49:49] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:49:50] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:49:50] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:49:50] Pandoria parries your attack! [17:49:53] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:49:54] You miss! [17:49:55] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:49:58] Pandoria parries your attack! [17:50:02] You laugh at Pandoria! [17:50:08] You target [Auren] [17:50:08] You examine Auren. He is a member of the Skald class in your realm. [17:50:09] You laugh at Auren! [17:50:09] Auren laughs at you! [17:50:09] Pandoria casts a spell! [17:50:12] You target [Pandoria] [17:50:12] You examine Pandoria. She is a member of an enemy realm! [17:50:15] Pandoria laughs at you! [17:50:18] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:50:18] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:50:19] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+62) [17:50:19] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 160 (-18) damage! [17:50:26] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:50:26] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:50:26] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+72) [17:50:26] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 164 (-18) damage! [17:50:26] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:50:31] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:50:31] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:50:31] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+59) [17:50:31] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 134 (-15) damage! [17:50:31] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:50:38] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:50:38] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:50:38] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+70) [17:50:38] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 151 (-17) damage! [17:50:38] You critical hit for an additional 34 damage! [17:50:38] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:50:40] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:50:42] You perform your Sledgehammer perfectly. (+105) [17:50:42] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 202 (-22) damage! [17:50:45] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:50:49] You sheathe the shimmering arcanium Illbane spiked hammer from your right hand. [17:50:49] You wield the shimmering arcanium great spiked hammer in both hands.
AurenSirRamAlot	Re: 1h vs 2h weapon and shout tests on lvl 5 RR 5 Armsmen	#2	[-]
Posts: 188 (02/08/03 10:31:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	2h hammer, there is a discontinuity here when i killed her and she had to come back. Also would have done more testing, but the hibs hit my guild keep (fens). You actually can see the initial spotting in the beginning. In addition there is a portion in the center of the log devoted to shouts. *** Chat Log Opened: Fri Feb 07 17:41:22 2003 [17:41:23] Pandoria blushes at you. [17:41:24] Pandoria blows a kiss to you! [17:41:56] @@[Guild] Dravz: "16 hibs at hpk in odin's" [17:41:58] @@You say, "unbuffed, 220 str mp 16.5 hammer 1650 weapon damage, 1040 weapon skill" [17:42:01] @@Pandoria says something in a language you don't understand. [17:42:01] Taking Screenshot! [17:42:19] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:42:19] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+82) [17:42:19] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 228 (-25) damage! [17:42:19] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:42:27] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:42:27] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:42:27] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+94) [17:42:27] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 248 (-28) damage! [17:42:27] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:42:29] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:42:32] You perform your Sledgehammer perfectly. (+116) [17:42:32] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 269 (-30) damage! [17:42:35] You auto-face Briton. [17:42:37] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:42:37] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:42:38] Pandoria parries your attack! [17:42:41] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:42:42] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:42:43] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+64) [17:42:43] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 205 (-23) damage! [17:42:45] You are no longer auto-following your target. [17:42:46] You auto-face Briton. [17:42:48] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:42:48] You miss! [17:42:52] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:42:52] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:42:53] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+83) [17:42:53] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 231 (-26) damage! [17:42:53] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:42:57] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:42:57] You hit for 151 (-62) damage! [17:42:57] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:42:57] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:42:59] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 179 (-20) damage! [17:42:59] You critical hit for an additional 41 damage! [17:42:59] You just killed Pandoria! [17:42:59] Pandoria just died. Her corpse lies on the ground. [17:42:59] Pandoria has been killed recently and is worth no experience! [17:43:00] You are no longer auto-following your target. [17:43:08] You blow a kiss to Pandoria! [17:43:11] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:45:11] You target [Pandoria] [17:45:11] You examine Pandoria. She is a member of an enemy realm! [17:45:20] You target [the ebony fellwood] [17:47:24] You examine Pandoria. She is a member of an enemy realm! [17:48:03] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:48:03] You prepare to perform a Frost Hammer! [17:48:03] You perform your Frost Hammer perfectly. (+90) [17:48:03] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 250 (-28) damage! [17:48:03] You critical hit for an additional 65 damage! [17:48:03] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:48:20] You prepare to perform a Conquer! [17:48:20] You miss! [17:48:21] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:48:22] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:48:25] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:48:25] You are now preparing to perform a Conquer style as a backup for Sledgehammer! [17:48:25] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+93) [17:48:25] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 246 (-27) damage! [17:48:25] You critical hit for an additional 100 damage! [17:48:25] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:48:27] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:48:31] You perform your Sledgehammer perfectly. (+101) [17:48:31] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 233 (-26) damage! [17:48:33] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:48:34] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:48:35] Pandoria casts a spell! --- [17:50:49] You wield the shimmering arcanium great spiked hammer in both hands. [17:50:49] Your Heat resistance has decreased. [17:50:49] Your Body resistance has decreased. [17:50:49] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:50:54] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:52:57] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:52:57] Pandoria resists the effect! [17:52:59] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:52:59] Pandoria resists the effect! [17:53:02] You target [Auren] [17:53:05] You laugh at Auren! [17:53:05] Auren laughs at you! [17:53:06] Pandoria laughs at you! [17:53:12] You must wait 7 seconds to use this ability! [17:53:19] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:53:19] You hit for 151 (-62) damage! [17:53:22] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:53:22] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:53:33] You must wait 6 seconds to use this ability! [17:53:39] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:53:39] You hit for 151 (-62) damage! [17:53:41] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:53:41] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:53:57] You must wait 3 seconds to use this ability! [17:54:01] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:54:01] Pandoria resists the effect! [17:54:02] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:54:02] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:54:08] You must wait 1 seconds to use this ability! [17:54:09] This spell can't be used on a target which is in combat! [17:54:10] This spell can't be used on a target which is in combat! [17:54:14] You cast a Mystic Crystal Lore Spell! [17:54:21] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:54:21] Pandoria resists the effect! [17:54:23] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:54:23] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:54:23] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:54:31] @@[Guild] Solja: "!" [17:54:38] You must wait 2 seconds to use this ability! [17:54:41] You cast a Battle Howl Spell! [17:54:41] You hit for 151 (-62) damage! [17:54:42] You must wait 1 seconds to use this ability! [17:54:44] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you! [17:54:44] You cast a Warbellow Spell! [17:54:44] You hit for 118 (-48) damage! [17:54:53] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:55:08] Your character has been saved. [17:55:14] Pandoria curtseys to you. [17:55:20] You attempt to use the shimmering arcanium great spiked hammer. [17:55:53] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [17:55:53] You are hit for 262 damage. [17:55:53] Pandoria is too far away to attack! [17:55:55] You enter combat mode and target [Pandoria] [17:55:55] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 151 (-17) damage! (these are styled attacks by her) [17:55:56] You prepare to perform a Provoke! [17:55:58] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [17:55:58] You are hit for 233 damage. [17:55:58] Your movement is slowed! [17:56:00] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+74) [17:56:00] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 239 (-27) damage! [17:56:00] You just killed Pandoria! [17:56:00] Pandoria just died. Her corpse lies on the ground. [17:56:00] You get 940 realm points! [17:56:00] You earn 28 extra realm points! [17:56:00] You get 70 bounty points! [17:56:00] You earn 2 extra bounty points! [17:56:00] You get 41,943,040 experience points! [17:56:02] Taking Screenshot! [17:56:12] You salute. [17:56:18] You sit down. Type '/stand' or move to stand up. [17:59:05] You target [Pandoria] [17:59:05] You examine Pandoria. She is a member of an enemy realm! [18:00:39] @@[Guild] Miracles: "gintu u r chat lead" [18:00:50] @@<Pandoria makes strange motions.> [18:01:08] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:11] Your Charisma has decreased. [18:01:11] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:11] Your power has decreased. [18:01:11] Your Battlesongs skill has decreased. [18:01:11] @@[Guild] Frjack: "wheres ulf?" [18:01:12] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:15] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:15] Your Crush resistance has decreased. [18:01:15] Your Thrust resistance has decreased. [18:01:15] Your Heat resistance has decreased. [18:01:17] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:18] Pandoria dances with you! [18:01:19] Your Dexterity has decreased. [18:01:19] Your Body resistance has decreased. [18:01:19] Your Energy resistance has decreased. With nearly half my armor off at this point, this next attack is pretty odd. I guess she failed on a style. [18:01:21] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:22] @@[Guild] Frjack: "and splish" [18:01:22] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [18:01:22] You are hit for 99 damage. [18:01:23] Your Quickness has decreased. [18:01:23] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:23] Your Cold resistance has decreased. [18:01:28] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:29] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [18:01:29] You are hit for 296 damage. [18:01:29] Your movement is slowed! [18:01:31] @@[Guild] Splish: "on pad" [18:01:32] Your Strength has decreased. [18:01:32] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:32] Your Spirit resistance has decreased. [18:01:33] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [18:01:33] You are hit for 308 damage. [18:01:34] You cannot move! [18:01:35] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:37] @@[Guild] Dravz: "get off" [18:01:37] Your Strength has decreased. [18:01:37] Your Constitution has decreased. [18:01:37] Your Charisma has decreased. [18:01:37] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:37] Your power has decreased. [18:01:37] Your Matter resistance has decreased. [18:01:39] Pandoria attacks you with her partisan! [18:01:39] You are hit for 541 damage. [18:01:39] Your movement is slowed! [18:01:39] An acidic cloud surrounds you! [18:01:39] You are hit for 73 damage. [18:01:40] You dance with Pandoria! [18:01:42] You are encumbered and move more slowly. [18:01:42] Your Strength has decreased. [18:01:42] Your Constitution has decreased. [18:01:42] Your hits have decreased. [18:01:42] Your Thrust resistance has decreased. [18:01:42] Your Cold resistance has decreased. [18:01:42] An acidic cloud surrounds you! [18:01:42] You are hit for 66 damage. [18:01:45] You blow a kiss to Pandoria! [18:01:47] An acidic cloud surrounds you! [18:01:47] You are hit for 61 damage. [18:01:47] Auren was just killed by Pandoria! [18:01:47] The acidic mist around you dissipates. [18:01:47] You have died. Type /release to return to your last bind point. [18:01:47] You died fighting for your realm and lose no experience! [18:01:49] Pandoria blows a kiss!
AurenSirRamAlot	Re: 1h vs 2h weapon and shout tests on lvl 5 RR 5 Armsmen	#3	[-]
Posts: 188 (02/08/03 10:43:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Couple things i noticed Shout damage was always the same vs her body resist. Vs hibs its significantly lower. She did flat resist quite a few shouts. This bothers me a bit as well, tho i don't have many examples of this in the log, this happens to me pretty frequently in RvR [17:48:25] You perform your Conquer perfectly. (+93) [17:48:25] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 246 (-27) damage! [17:48:25] You critical hit for an additional 100 damage! [17:48:25] Pandoria begins moving more slowly! [17:48:27] You prepare to perform a Sledgehammer! [17:48:31] You perform your Sledgehammer perfectly. (+101) [17:48:31] You attack Pandoria with your hammer and hit for 233 (-26) damage! Take note, the high damage second in chain hit hits for less then the start of the chain (rear positional, skald chase mechanism). Considering how difficult it often is to chain things in RvR should there not be a significant damage bonus or at least an additional effect (stun would be nice...might actually help us compete against anhillation too, medium duration, and in a 2 part chain, this does not seem unreasonable). Also consider that hammer only has stun as a reactionary style to block (unless you count the virtually inconsequential style of parry which doesn't even stun a mob long enough to have effect) Yes i am aware there are other strikes from sledgehammer that are higher then conquer, they are both listed as high damage output. but i would love to see it consistently higher. In the same train of thought, the side positional style, perhaps the hardest to get off in RvR does virtually no significant damage over any other style. Its effect is nice, but to some degree unrealistic (who would choose a single attack over conquer/sledge if the opponent is gonna let you get position). Dunno what to do about that, just doesn't give you much desire to use it except on keep lords. 1h vs 2h damage seems to be on the right scale but it does bring up some interesting questions about whether it would be worth it to go for the higher proc rate (btw, my 2h hammer was non proc at this time, which is why you see no procs) and better chance of popping pbt by goin 1h. the damage isn't hugely different if you account for losing lots of hits to pbt. However, it should be noted she had no ablative proccing armor either. so its kinda a toss up to me. Will be even more interesting to look at it when we get to minst with that ablative chant and PBT vs 1h weapon or 2h weapon. Kinda interested to see that result Anyone interested, feel free to make comments
Aeglief	Results	#4	[-]
Posts: 3 (02/14/03 08:52:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1h av: 111dmg 2h av: 175dmg 2h bonus: ~50% dmg bonus Provoke +53% 1h +40% 2h Frost Hammer +66% 1h +48% 2h Conquer +72% 1h +52% 2h Sledge +88% 1h +64% 2h 2h styles are doing 75% less dmg than the 1h styles. This tells me your haste effect its 25% more effective on your 2h. This also tells me Conquer/Sledge are doing about 30% more dmg than Provoke and Frost Hammer is somewhere in between.
gisborne	2H	#5	[-]
Posts: 434 (02/19/03 18:15:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You get a 40% increase to base damage using 2H weapons, that's why the style % bonus is consistently lower using 2H vs. 1H.

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